I only read the book. Gonna d/l the movie tho cause I didn't know it existed.

I accept Jesus literally all the time. He offers salvation from the matrix, but the heavenly path is the one he walks. I take the salvation and walk his path, in the opposite direction.


This post was edited by MaliceMizer on Aug 26 2016 05:54pm

Mark 12:17
King James Bible
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

everybody was happy with that:
- the pharisei understood that they should worship God
- the romans understood to pay their taxes
- the common folks were bullshitted with fancy cryptic words

Which one are you ?

This post was edited by the_rest on Aug 26 2016 09:46pm

I love how you just plucked the one part you needed out of an entire parable to justify your subservience to us builders.
To me it says, because it is Caesar's image upon the money, render it unto Caesar.
If you participate in Caesar's buildings, pay for it.
Nothing else about Jesus says we should be governmental subjects, and it was a response to those pharisees such as yourself whom sought to trap Jesus in his words.



Read the whole Damn thing.



Mark 12
1 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'
8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.
13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.
14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,
19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.
21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.
22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.
23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

if god created us and knows the future then how can we be responsible for anything
we're given this short little test with no clear answers (this life) that's supposed to decide where you spend the rest of eternity
and if he loves us how could he send some people to hell/not into heaven for all eternity based on the above?

why not just start off in heaven and work stuff out there, and god not create people in the first place who are going to cause/suffer misery

the answer is it's not a strictly religious version of god and it was created in the same way or time or actually within this universe, or no god is an option too ofc

I have news for you, pal: when you die, maggots eat your brain

any what happens to the quantum information stored in your brain? i believe it disperses around the rest of the universe allowing for what comes next
quautum entanglement+holographic principle finally come into play

This post was edited by dakariii on Aug 27 2016 02:51am

your quantum sized brain can't dig it ?

The electricity of your mind appears (according to most hospice workers) to dissipate into the ambient electricity of the universe.
If you have a strong spiritual will, you'll follow the light - or not.



The clear answer is you have to seek out the mysteries
God set up the clockwork we exist in, but we can jump cogs, or let our lives be cogs of resistence, or we can speed up and force the machine to run ahead out of control.
The choices are indeed limited by laws of nature, and God knows all - but that doesn't limit our choices to absolute mechanistic life.

When Dr. Gates (Obama's scientific advisor) presented this adinkra patterm, it is described as the total shape of all human knowledge via Search Engines.


God knows what you're going to do, but you don't know if you havent taken the time to recognize your destiny
Would you trust a prophet? Would you trust your own prophesy if you were well informed to the shape of the planet (machine), like God?


In greek mythology there's a prophet named Amphiaraus, he is really good at lying and has the curse. He is hailed as a future seer and had seen his own fate - death at the end of a firey spear.
So he goes through life trying to get merc'd by a spear. The cheesey Rock movie Hercules describes this idea really well.



This post was edited by MaliceMizer on Aug 27 2016 03:13am

The way I think of it is that even though stuff is predetermined it was done so at the moment of creation. At that point you make all your choices so you did make them and now were just seeing them come into existance. Either that or stuff isn't predetermined, every possible reality exists in a multiverse, and we can choose which of the verses we end up in with our choices. Maybe we're all in different ones or consciousness is split between them but then how do make the choice and which version of us do we end up as, what about the other ones?