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Apr 27 2022 11:14am
Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 27 2022 12:59pm)
Even if EUR is down a little bit, average german is still getting paid 4x average indian salary.
So we are still rich people in Europe. Other people in the world are not so lucky.
Currency cannot be too high, Germans will sell more cars around the globe if EUR is little weaker :)


Ze Germans and other northern rich EU states will be okay. The people that are suffering economically and will suffer the most are the ones in the east and south. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, pretty much all of the Balkans, Greece, etc. Those countries don't have the same levels of disposable income as someone in Germany, Denmark or Netherlands.
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Apr 27 2022 11:41am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 28 Apr 2022 01:03)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnab_Goswami#Reception


Goswami and his style of journalism, has been subject to massive criticism
extreme pro-government affinity
act checkers have documented him, and his channels to have propagated misinformation and disinformation, on multiple occasions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnab_Goswami#cite_note-103




Problem is Putin & ex-KGB fans want to keep this tradition. Which is understandable: Ukraine is a big country with great ressources.
But we are in the 21th century and a country has right to exist... ;D


Yes , thats the reason why one should even listen more to him. He is Pro Modi government and he is basically Modi's mouth piece, that will show you what the Indian government thinks but do not say due to diplomacy.
But he has been quite right on his part in his current situation.

He gives the " Eastern " point of view on what people on our side of the globe thinks.

And to be fairly honest I don't think any media in the world is giving proper information.
If you get sucked up on Western and American Media, you will be misled
If you get sucked up by China and Russia Media , you will be misled

So lets go with India and Taiwan, since India is both friendly " to the West" and " Russia"
As for Taiwan, they bad mouth everyone and tell it as it is even though they are "allies" of USA because of " Press Freedom"
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Apr 27 2022 12:23pm
Quote (Santara @ Apr 27 2022 11:59am)
While certainly merciless, I don't see an order to "kill POWs" so much as I see an order "to take no artillerymen prisoner." Small distinction, to be sure, but one a good lawyer will say "we didn't execute POWs because we didn't have any POWs.


Rules of war make no distinction, that was right in the Nuremberg trials, any issue to 'take no prisoners' is itself an explicit war crime. And then we got plenty of footage of them torturing and executing POWs they did take, so pretty well established.
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Apr 27 2022 12:28pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 27 Apr 2022 17:41)
Yes , thats the reason why one should even listen more to him. He is Pro Modi government and he is basically Modi's mouth piece, that will show you what the Indian government thinks but do not say due to diplomacy.
But he has been quite right on his part in his current situation.

He gives the " Eastern " point of view on what people on our side of the globe thinks.

And to be fairly honest I don't think any media in the world is giving proper information.
If you get sucked up on Western and American Media, you will be misled
If you get sucked up by China and Russia Media , you will be misled

So lets go with India and Taiwan, since India is both friendly " to the West" and " Russia"
As for Taiwan, they bad mouth everyone and tell it as it is even though they are "allies" of USA because of " Press Freedom"



Yes, my news are pretty much neutral here... The natural journalistic bias is pretty low.
Btw here's something about RUSSIA MEDIAS:

Translated from here:
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/video-guerre-en-ukraine-la-propagande-russe-au-coeur-des-foyers_5103748.html
Marina, a russian touristic guide, is believing news from Russian government.

Maternity bombed in Marioupol: the Russian media cry out for staging

Images that shocked the whole world: those of Marioupol's maternity, bombed on March 9. Three people died, including a pregnant woman and the baby she was wearing
Marina adheres to the official version: it is a staging of the Ukrainians. "No woman was killed there," she said, taking as proof a report showing that "she gave birth and [that] she is alive".

In reality, it was another Ukrainian who looks a little like her: a pregnant fashion blogger too, and who has keft before bombings.
The Russian media presented her as a figurative who would have pretended to be dead. The other woman, died well with her baby ...

But for Marina, as for the majority of the Russian population, it is impossible, since "the Russian soldiers do not target civilians".

=> Terrifying.
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Apr 27 2022 12:33pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 27 2022 08:59am)
It's not only gas/oil prices. Energy is the lifeblood of all economies. Everything is transported from one place to another which needs energy. Higher energy price = higher prices on almost everything tangible/transported

So not only is Europe suffering from inflation like everyone else across the globe, now they are getting banged on the FX conversion adding another layer of price increases.


Stories about teenagers being gang raped, children being killed, etc. help in this regard. A lot of people are capable of turning a blind eye but many others are willing to sacrifice a little.

Personally, labor rights don't matter all that much to me in the grand scheme of things. I'm not willing to pay a higher price for something just so laborers can get healthcare, breaks, etc. However, I'm willing to pay an EXTREMELY steep price to cripple our geopolitical foes which is why I minimize my purchases from China. Everyone has something different that drives them.
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Apr 27 2022 12:36pm
Quote (Santara @ Apr 27 2022 09:59am)
While certainly merciless, I don't see an order to "kill POWs" so much as I see an order "to take no artillerymen prisoner." Small distinction, to be sure, but one a good lawyer will say "we didn't execute POWs because we didn't have any POWs.


It's almost impossible to convict someone of war crimes so there's no reason to discuss it from a legal perspective. We can discuss ethics all day long but I don't think will do us any good because it's clear to most people that Russia is orders of magnitude worse than Ukraine, America, etc. Goomshill just wants to create a false equivalence between Russia and Ukraine because he wants Russia to win.
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Apr 27 2022 12:42pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 28 Apr 2022 02:28)
Yes, my news are pretty much neutral here... The natural journalistic bias is pretty low.
Btw here's something about RUSSIA MEDIAS:

Translated from here:
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/video-guerre-en-ukraine-la-propagande-russe-au-coeur-des-foyers_5103748.html
Marina, a russian touristic guide, is believing news from Russian government.

Maternity bombed in Marioupol: the Russian media cry out for staging

Images that shocked the whole world: those of Marioupol's maternity, bombed on March 9. Three people died, including a pregnant woman and the baby she was wearing
Marina adheres to the official version: it is a staging of the Ukrainians. "No woman was killed there," she said, taking as proof a report showing that "she gave birth and [that] she is alive".

In reality, it was another Ukrainian who looks a little like her: a pregnant fashion blogger too, and who has keft before bombings.
The Russian media presented her as a figurative who would have pretended to be dead. The other woman, died well with her baby ...

But for Marina, as for the majority of the Russian population, it is impossible, since"the Russian soldiers do not target civilians".

=> Terrifying.


I will not watch Russia media, because I know it will at best 30% true.
I am even calling them bluff that they reported CIA tried to epstein one of their " Journalist" or rather TV personality.

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Apr 27 2022 12:50pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 28 Apr 2022 02:28)
Yes, my news are pretty much neutral here... The natural journalistic bias is pretty low.
Btw here's something about RUSSIA MEDIAS:

Translated from here:
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/video-guerre-en-ukraine-la-propagande-russe-au-coeur-des-foyers_5103748.html
Marina, a russian touristic guide, is believing news from Russian government.

Maternity bombed in Marioupol: the Russian media cry out for staging

Images that shocked the whole world: those of Marioupol's maternity, bombed on March 9. Three people died, including a pregnant woman and the baby she was wearing
Marina adheres to the official version: it is a staging of the Ukrainians. "No woman was killed there," she said, taking as proof a report showing that "she gave birth and [that] she is alive".

In reality, it was another Ukrainian who looks a little like her: a pregnant fashion blogger too, and who has keft before bombings.
The Russian media presented her as a figurative who would have pretended to be dead. The other woman, died well with her baby ...

But for Marina, as for the majority of the Russian population, it is impossible, since"the Russian soldiers do not target civilians".

=> Terrifying.


In regards to targeting civilians, look mate, its the same as USA in mid east. They don't target civilians, once in a while there will be a "number" of collateral damage.
Same as Russia.

All of them target Civilians by "mistake". Same shit different day. First they will deny it, and when it becomes the truth , they won't allow their military to be investigated by the UN and they will protect their assholes with any means.
They will have a private investigation by their own people, convicted for a year or two and let off after appeals because not enough evidence.
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Apr 27 2022 12:55pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 27 2022 02:33pm)
Stories about teenagers being gang raped, children being killed, etc. help in this regard. A lot of people are capable of turning a blind eye but many others are willing to sacrifice a little.

Personally, labor rights don't matter all that much to me in the grand scheme of things. I'm not willing to pay a higher price for something just so laborers can get healthcare, breaks, etc. However, I'm willing to pay an EXTREMELY steep price to cripple our geopolitical foes which is why I minimize my purchases from China. Everyone has something different that drives them.


The more you spam war horror stories the duller the reaction gets eventually imo. The resolve may be strong at first but most people will start to care less what happens far way, out of the immediate sight and start caring about their own existence. Rich people can pretend to care more because things like food, gas, etc are trivial expenses to them. It's different for the middle to lower classes.

People in eastern-central Europe have have like 1-2k disposable income. For them higher energy and food prices as a result of this hurt a lot more. Another month or two from now when the war has become the norm, you think the average Eastern European is going to care more about the war or be pissed that they can't buy meat or fresh produce as often as they used to? My bet is on the latter. It's sad but we as humans are very much self-centered.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 27 2022 12:56pm
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 27 2022 11:55am)
The more you spam war horror stories the duller the reaction gets eventually imo. The resolve may be strong at first but most people will start to care less what happens far way, out of the immediate sight and start caring about their own existence. Rich people can pretend to care more because things like food, gas, etc are trivial costs to them. It's different for the middle to lower classes.

People in eastern-central Europe have have like 1-2k disposable income. For them higher energy and food prices as a result of this hurt a lot more. Another month or two from now when the war has become the norm, you think the average Eastern European is going to care more about the war or be pissed that they can't buy meat or fresh produce as often as they used to? My bet is on the latter. It's sad but we as humans are very much self-centered.


This is why you strike when the iron is hot so the poor get used to it. If you see a poor person complaining about prices, all you have to is say, "well, at least you aren't getting your home destroyed. Are you so selfish that you can't afford to pay an extra dollar per gallon for gas?"
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