You are playing a bias of a "both sides" but today i see only 1 giving 15 years sentence for saying it's an invasion.

You should dig into Ukrainian news a bit more. I guess propaganda is easy digestible, try news. They have the same law, same fifteen years if you say there are nazis in Azov, fifteen years if you mention that they killed thousands of civilians. If you are lucky, otherwise you'll get shot on the street like some bloggers.

Truth is the first casualty when there's a war going on.

This post was edited by Norlander on Apr 27 2022 09:37am

Totally disagree. First of all, the 1st Russia attack was in 2014, Ukraine was surprised, unprepared and lost some territories. But also Putin didnt decide for a fullscale war yet. Maybe he was simply younger and still had time back then. So in 2019 UA were simply preparing for another round.
When you think about Russia attack, it was wrong decision to attack. What they gain?
They lost a lot of army, a lot of equipment, a lot of expensive missiles were fired.
West is more United than ever and will get rid of russian resources soon, so RU wont be able to spend oil&gas money on arms.
Finland and Sweden are joining NATO.
Russia economy suffers a lot, and will suffer more with time at sanctions.
Russia cannot balance between West and china anymore, they need to turn 100% to China now, China will vassalize them.
Myth about 2nd most powerful army is gone.
So it was a bad decision to attack, unfortunately sometimes people in charge make bad decisions.
What was the alternative for Ukraine? Surrender from the start? Join the evil Empire and help Russia attack more countries? Let the Russians do anything with them, like a great starvation? Let them rape their woman at will? Which is better for them?


We are lucky that Ukraine fights back and we stop Russia invasion there and not let them test NATO.
Who would fight back when Russia attacks NATO/Europe?
Poland is too weak to stop them, not to mention most people would simply run away.
German? Currently very low on their army. French? They already surrendered to nazi quickly.
NATO? What if next USA president says "screw these European cowards, im not risking my soldiers if they dont want to fight properly themselves".
Sometimes a proper way is not to run away, but stand United.

In fact Putin can stop the war anytime, and declare himself a winner in his TV, saying that "nazi were killed and Ukraine people are now free from nazi oppression" .
Russian people will probably eat it. Average Russian would be gład that the war is over and things are coming back to normal.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Apr 27 2022 09:55am

It has no comparison in numbers (of soldiers and crimes) and what you are talking about happened up to 2015 and i'm curious of what the "separatists/pro-russians" supported by Russia did during this time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

I think we know enough about the actual russian regime (i will not generalize even if i should do) when they use their Wagner Mercenaries to dig false flag mass graves ... (Ref: what happened in Mali recently)

btw (wiki)


Use in Russian propaganda

In justifying the 2022 invasion of Ukraine by Russia, the Battalion has played a central role in claims of "denazifying" Ukraine, with Russian media inflating its presence and influence within Ukraine to paint a picture of the whole of the Ukrainian government and military as under Nazi control.
During the Siege of Mariupol, Russia was accused of using the presence of Azov in the battle as justification for war crimes. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov justified the Mariupol hospital airstrike claiming the Azov was using the hospital as a base and had previously evicted the patients and staff.
On 16 March, the Donetsk Regional Drama Theatre, which was sheltering almost 1,300 civilians, was struck and largely destroyed by an airstrike. Russia denied the bombings and claimed that the Azov Battalion took civilians as hostages inside the building and bombed the theater themselves to frame Russia.

Euro reaches 5 year lows on the gas supply issue. Why does it matter? It matters to European consumers who get paid, receive their pensions, etc in Euros. They now have to fork over a higher % of their disposable income for various types of goods that come from non Euro countries, including gas, oil, foods, clothing, tech, etc.

I think many europeans who think "Fuck gas & oil industries" will accept the price.

It's not only gas/oil prices. Energy is the lifeblood of all economies. Everything is transported from one place to another which needs energy. Higher energy price = higher prices on almost everything tangible/transported

So not only is Europe suffering from inflation like everyone else across the globe, now they are getting banged on the FX conversion adding another layer of price increases.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 27 2022 09:59am

USA won Gas War

You are exaggerating, the CPI looks like a giant dick in US since a while already and the Europeans are using less oil per capita than US.

It's true that's Cars and distances is deeply rooted in american culture, but well, we are in EU. It's not the same deal at all.

Yet the only real problem is Natural Gas but it will end up being fixed.



Soon Vladimir will cut your internet

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 27 2022 10:28am

We're not supposed to pay attention as US/EU inflation skyrockets and currencies tank and food/energy/housing scarcity kicks in
Its completely unrelated that countries like India and Israel and Mexico, outside the firm grips of the big three superpowers, have started to realign themselves away from the US. Israel divesting dollars and buying Yuan? Its nothing, don't pay attention
As the new Iron Curtain went up, America and Europe are triumphant

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 27 2022 10:29am