what war crimes has ukraine committed against russia?

i read into what was going on in 2014 and came away with the conclusion that there isn't really any "good guys" in there but russia is certainly the greater evil here

as for the willingness to confront russia i think the west is going about this in the only way it may be able to defeat russia without triggering ww3

USA has increased their gas exports by 600% since 2018, and will increase again this year.
Im aware it might get little short for EU this year if Russia decides to cut all EU.
There are also some EU countries that have no sea access, or no terminals, so are dependant on other countries to transport gas.
Remember EU master plan is to cut Russian gas import by 70% this year.
Gas is bad anyway because it produces co2, we should use more clean energy, it will be a good side of this war.
In the meantime we should stick to reliable producers like USA, even if Russians gives us discount, because:
1) we help Russians buy missiles that kills Innocent people
2) its better to pay more and be sure your partner wont cut you.
But I dont believe Russia will cut gas from whole EU, because they need money.
Cutting one country is different than cutting 27.

If they consider Ukraine as an enemy country, why limit yourself at half country?
Assume they take half country, and 3 months later they say: "ohh, there are still nazists in other half, we need to liberate that other half too".
They have already asked to give out nukes for peace. Ukraine given out nukes, but Russia broke their promise.
How do you know they wont break their promise again?
Trust a villain does not seem like a good option.
There is plenty of space in cold Syberia to move Ukrainians there.
And they already did "great hunger" in Ukraine in the past, they sure know how to kill the entire nation.
If I were to die, I would like to die at war, and not in the Russian concentration/work camp.

if they wanted all of ukraine they would not have pulled back from the capital. If you watched the video posted 2 days ago you would have seen that the ukrainian government in 2019 expected the encirclement of the capital (in 2021-2022!) but were not worried about it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2022 01:16am

They pulled back because they were beaten there, otherwise they would be encircled - this is the thing everybody avoids when being at war.

If you can provide a source to prove that they were about to be encircled, i will read it and consider my position on events. I have already stated the reasons why I believe they retreated. If you have not read that, feel free to do so (or not).

It is normal for Poland to be 100% inline with the US Government, noting no other government on the planet has supported Poland as much as the USA since WW2, and yes the US has been the world's policeman since before I was born. Successive English governments also hate Russia so I can see why you would favor both of those countries. Indeed, I also favor both the US and England over the majority of other countries in the western world and would have been brought up West is Best.

Ukraine before the war was a country with different groups (and ideologies) contained within it. It is a fact that they have bad elements and it is a fact that the government has been ramping up for this war for years. Now, we have already had the conversation re: Ukraine is independent and what not, and there are helpful video's and conversations in this thread which have outlined what happened which led to this. The fact remains (to me at least) that America has pursued its interests via unlawful war around the world for decades and, as an example, invading Iraq was a mistake. This war in Ukraine was years in the making. The US started sending weapons to Ukraine in 2014. By no earlier then 2019 the Ukrainian government, which I do not believe had been elected on a mandate to go to war with Russia, accelerated events which directly led to this war. They knew that what they were doing would lead to war and they did it anyway. The Ukrainian government did not bother to tell their people what was going to happen years in the future, months in the future or days in the future.

Now the West, under the leadership of the US, is sending them so many weapons so as to weaken Russia. Yes Russia is corrupt. Yes Russia invaded Ukraine. Yes they are committing war crimes. The overarching issue with everything happening right now is that Russia is a superpower. Declining, yes, but a superpower nevertheless. This means they are massive and have a crap ton of nukes. The current narrative I am seeing in this thread is:

1. who cares lets just start WW3
2. we are calling their bluff
3. we want the whole world against russia and we want to put them back into the stone age

However, Russia simply will not roll over or be "defeated". defeated means, they are invaded, putin is removed from office and they hand over all their nukes. that is not going to happen. Therefore this war cannot be seen like any of the past wars in the last 60+ years. It is for this reason that when I see the west continue to escalate the situation I am terrified of the Russian response. Each response Russia makes at this point will be seen as "a further escalation" when in fact is it a tit for tat. I see the west then simply being more resolved to double down. That escalates quickly. YES it would be great if we beat Russia, if Putin was removed and a moderate came in to replace him. But thats Alice in Wonderland or Narnia thinking. I dont know best case scenario but I know worst case scenario.

I honestly dont care about Russia switching off the gas, exports etc. I care about the escalation of war. if YOUR country was BOMBED would you want to retaliate ? Its not a difficult logic. So, when Russia gets bombed (not shying away from the fact that Russia is bombing the shit out of Ukraine alright), expect Russia to seek to retaliate - which will escalate the war. The West is a runaway train. When you are in a runaway train heading off a cliff it would be helpful if someone questioned the speed at which your going and when it would be a good stage to stop the train.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2022 03:33am

Murdering POWs is why we hung Nazis at Nuremberg. The Nazis in Ukraine not only posted videos of themselves torturing and murdering POWs multiple times, but their military even made an official public order that they would execute any artillerymen they captured. A more direct war crime than Hitler's Kommandobefehl, which at least had the pretense of executing spies and saboteurs yet clearly extended to uniformed soldiers, hence Hitler's secrecy around it. The Ukrainian military directly told their troops to execute uniformed soldiers taken captive, right out in public.

Germany send 50 tanks in ukraine to roll over Putin's boots lickers. GREAT.

Ukrainian officials like former deputy of Internal Affair (now coordinator of Business Protection Office within the Ministry of Internal Affair) Anton Heraschenko even post executions, dead bodies etc in their Telegram (about ~600k). Search for Pravda_Geraschenko. Hitler's legacy blooms wild in Ukraine.

Source?