Very coastal attitude. It's very clear who the city folk are, and who the country folk are, and in many ways. If you can buy a 10 acre property in rural Illinois for $75K, spend $20K to build yourself a modest house (or drop a prefab), grow literally 100% of your own food year round (during winter, ofc you'd be using canned/dried products), and just maintain a minimum wage job to cover power/water/property tax bills, the thought of rural living is highly attractive.

It's cheap to live in the midwest, generally speaking. It doesn't become expensive until you go join the city. Honestly speaking, I fully understand the attractiveness of the midwest and fully disagree with the assertion that it's unworthy of living in. These are the ramblings of inane coastal elites, who value cities and completely disregard the lives and value of a more simple way of life.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 7 2021 03:21pm

I always cringe at these types of pure responses because people are always products of their environment to some degree. There has to be some degree of dialogue and negotiation between the ruling class and the working class.

Working class wages rose 10% under Trump but that will likely be forgotten by Biden.

I live in southwest Ohio Dom. I'm not a coastal elite and I do agree with you mostly but it is the truth much of the Midwest is dying. Families are being torn apart and ravaged by heroin/meth addiction and many middle aged/boomer men have fallen to despair because cities which used to be manufacturing hubs became victims of automation/outsourcing and we as a region and country just did not adapt and prepare for this and big pharma opioid crisis.

The cons is I'm surrounded by just rotting cities but I could buy a house a decent house for 150-200k and I could buy a house for 500k+ that would probably be millions upon millions in bigger cities.

lmao

I've lived in the Midwest my entire life. It would be kinda nice if country people weren't incredibly stupid and short sighted. And if there were more decent jobs.

I mean, in the rural midwest, you could buy a house that would cost $5 million in the cities, along with a couple hundred acres of wooded and farmable land, for 500K-1M. The drug epidemic has more to do with the decline in work ethic and moral values, as well as the decline of the family unit, than it does with despair over much of anything.

Big daddy government won't help you, can't help you, and wouldn't help you if it could. You help yourself. And Boomers were a weak generation that raised an even weaker generation which is currently raising the weakest generation the US has seen since it's founding. Strong generations build good times that lead to weak generations that create hard times that create strong generations. We're simply witnessing the downside. And the reliance on cities and big daddy government is a huge factor on why it's happening. Everyone believes they're entitled to something for simply existing. Sorry, you aren't and never were. Once we get back to the standard that you're worth precisely the effort you're willing to put in, a lot of problems will go away.

The devolution of cities occurs all the time, and has for as long as histories exist. And almost always in the same way. You can only keep them running on inertia so long.



So, country people are all stupid and short sighted, yet cities all throughout the midwest are failing. Why?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 7 2021 03:34pm

Just saying "they're failing" isn't a metric. By the standards we judge cities for, rural areas would almost universally fail.

Rape is a pretty good predictor.