Quote (balrog66 @ 20 Nov 2019 10:56)

Sondland's testifying today right?

This should be the most interesting one out of all of them, regardless of the outcome. I'm curious to see what he's going to say.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 19 2019 08:08pm)

Really the people chose clinton, arbitrary lines in the sand gave the power to trump.
The vast majority of people do not know how the process works and not many are willing to move to the middle of nowhere to make their vote count.
The majority of the people voted for clinton, so thats who the people wanted.
Making country people count for two votes is a manipulation of the will of the people.

I have never understood why tyranny of the minority is any better than tyranny of the majority.
Generally country people are the last people you want voting, they will vote for whoever promises a tax cut and to stop immigration and rarely are affected by either of those things.

My country is the same, the greens get 10% of the vote, the country party (nationals) get 4%, the nationals hold 5x as many seats because country people have more power than city people.
The nationals are corrupt shills who have ruined our country but the farmers vote for them because thats all they know.

Quote (GLYC123 @ Nov 19 2019 07:34pm)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the introduction of the electoral college is the reason why the remaining states signed to become a part of the United States. Otherwise, the nation would be decided by the most populated states only, and the other states would have no voice. No electoral college, no United States.

But hey, I'd be down for the most populated states to have their own country, the Midwest has the resources to survive on their own. But California, Texas, New York, Florida. They don't.

Quote (GLYC123 @ Nov 20 2019 10:31pm)

Not arbitrary.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 20 2019 05:37am)

California is one of the largest economies on earth.

Quote (GLYC123 @ 20 Nov 2019 12:48)

They also experience massive issues with water supply.

Quote (GLYC123 @ 20 Nov 2019 12:48)

They also experience massive issues with water supply.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 20 2019 06:02am)

It can't get lower than solar powered desalination.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 20 2019 06:21am)

and wildfires
and homelessness
and horrible outcomes in the education system in many of their schools (while at the same time having some of the finest higher education institutions in the world)
and super high taxes which are already causing an exodus of middle class families who just cant afford living in CA anymore

Quote (GLYC123 @ 20 Nov 2019 13:22)

Yeah, there's a reason they import water.

Also, California is not a good place in many ways. Rolling black outs, fires, rises in disease/homelessness, and disregard for laws. California democracy is terrible. Would never live there.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 19 2019 08:08pm)

Really the people chose clinton, arbitrary lines in the sand gave the power to trump.
The vast majority of people do not know how the process works and not many are willing to move to the middle of nowhere to make their vote count.
The majority of the people voted for clinton, so thats who the people wanted.
Making country people count for two votes is a manipulation of the will of the people.

I have never understood why tyranny of the minority is any better than tyranny of the majority.
Generally country people are the last people you want voting, they will vote for whoever promises a tax cut and to stop immigration and rarely are affected by either of those things.

My country is the same, the greens get 10% of the vote, the country party (nationals) get 4%, the nationals hold 5x as many seats because country people have more power than city people.
The nationals are corrupt shills who have ruined our country but the farmers vote for them because thats all they know.