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It is "completely legitimate" for Ukraine to attack Russian territory, a British defence minister has said, as Russia accused the NATO military alliance of waging a proxy war.
James Heappey, the UK armed forces minister, told Times Radio on Tuesday that Ukraine was justified in seeking to disrupt Russian supplies.
"In war, Ukraine needs to strike into its opponents' depth to attack its logistics lines, its fuel supplies, its ammunition depots, and that's part of it," he said.
"It is completely legitimate for Ukraine to be targeting in Russia's depth in order to disrupt the logistics, that if they weren't disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Ukrainian soil."
Heappey acknowledged the weapons provided by the West to Ukraine "have the range to be used over the borders" in Russia, but stressed: "That is not necessarily a problem."
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"NATO, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told Russian state media on Monday.
Lavrov also claimed the risks of nuclear conflict were now "considerable," saying there was a "serious, real" risk of entering a third world war.
But Heappey rubbished this, telling BBC Radio 4's Today programme the chances of nuclear warfare were "vanishingly small."
Speaking to Sky News, the minister added: "All of this noise from Moscow about somehow their attack on Ukraine being a response to NATO aggression is just utter, utter nonsense."

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1. it IS completely legitimate in my eyes for Ukraine to attack Russian territory. They ARE at WAR after all.
2. Its not that Russia is accusing NATO of waging a proxy war, NATO IS waging a proxy war.
3. Its NOT logical to say if Ukraine is successful in its attacks on Russian soil that less people will die in Ukraine (Russia wins faster = less deaths, Russia wins slower = more deaths, is my view)
4. Providing weapons to Ukraine that Ukraine can use to strike directly into Russia IS a problem, and Russia has already warned NATO about this previously.
5. Russia wins faster = less likely that things will escalate. Russia wins slower, or does not win = more probably of escalation.

I rubbish his rubbish view that pissing Russia off endlessly will not provoke a reaction / mistake / lapse of judgement / escalation.

in all my posts i will not refer to nuclear option / ww3. instead i use such terms as reaction and escalation.

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Yeah, because, you know, a highly classified bio "weapons" lab would be a great idea to keep in a country that faces hostilities from a country just waiting to pounce on anything anti-American, with an easy risk of it breaking out.

That makes SO much sense. Are you qualified for any type of clearance? No? Thank god.

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Apr 25 2022 05:28pm)

Lol? That's why the lab is not in USA but on the other side of the planet, on the door step of their adversary. If something breaks out, it will Russia's problem before anyone elses.

try to take some medicine to quell the brain-rot for a moment, maybe these commonsensical things will get through

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any western news outlets apologised to the Russian people for spreading the lie about "Russian bounties on US soldiers in Syria" yet ?

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It's funny because it's made up

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Sure I'm one sided, but I only make fun of the stupid comments that are based in blatant propaganda.

It's just incredible to me to watch people regurgitate CNN-tier trash and invent entire essays of garbage based on what is essentially the lowest of the low and the most blatant of blatant propaganda, without realizing it.

It is astonishing to me. I can't help it. These people live in an alternate reality, and I just want to help them escape from their programming. It is my natural instinct as a human being.

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Donetsk & Luhansk have a right to defend themselves and should be supported by Russia in their quest for independence and statehood

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I choose my words very carefully, and people should have noticed that I am constantly editing my posts, attempting at all times to convey a balanced approach in this topic. I based my comment "delusional" on some of things that you have said over the last week, which I am going to quote, below. Note that this is not a personal attack but rather me providing source material to support my view. Note as well you are not the first person I have done this to in this topic. Finally, some of what you say is correct but when its covered in all of the below, your message is likely to be disregarded. Without further ado:

No, its just war.

You lost me at demonic entities.

Russia is isolationist. They are the cornerstone, of Russia, not the rest of nations opposed to America.

No. Your logic is flawed. Ukraine is multi faceted and you can support Ukraine while abhoring the Nazi element (and the other stuff).

The comparison is very poor.

No. This is not logical. it is far more likely the mass graves were dug by the Russians, after they killed X number of people. Civilian casualties is a byproduct of all wars. I am not condoning the murders, I am outlining that this is the most logical train of events.

Personal attacks on other users is selfdefeating btw.

There is to my mind irrefutable proof that Russia poisoned the Skripals. I even provided a source link. here it is again: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43643025 based on, again, most plausible events, Russia did in fact, poison them.

Doubling down on something so blatantly false when it is known that Russia poisons its "enemies of the state".

Finally, I could not find the post you made where you said bloggers are more trustworthy then main stream media outlets, but that one was quite "out there". As you continue to spout nonsense I will continue to refute it. However not everything you post is misleading or simply wrong, so if its not cringe, I might even agree with you. sometimes.

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I honestly don't care about whatever personal justifications you come up with to justify your belief in various propagandized false flags like the Skripals, dude. False flags which are designed to directly tug on your heart strings, and clearly it worked. A form of psychological and emotional manipulation which you have made a CONSCIOUS choice to allow yourself to be manipulated by. If you want to believe a lie, go ahead. But that won't stop me from calling it out whenever I please.

As for the rest, I'm not going to bother. Here we are on the precipice of ww3 and a direct hot war between Russia and NATO, all over a Neo-Nazi regime that has been killing its own people for the past 8 years. It's incredible.

Maybe humanity really does deserve it.

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I know that when I'm developing bioweapons, the first thing I do is say, "wouldn't it be a great idea to research them in a lab, in a different country, with lower than top-tier security plans in place?"

The thing about bioweapons is that once they're loose, they can go anywhere their human hosts can. Tool.

Any Russian outlets apologized yet about poisoning Navalny?

It's funny because it's true.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

You mean *Russia's quest to absorb them.* A quest that Russia instigated. Funny how they got along with their Ukrainian brethren just fine until Russia got involved in Ukraine's affairs over their overwhelming desire to align with Europe. Also funny how Russia has an admitted 500 troops killed fighting in they so-called breakaway republics. It's almost as if... they were there to stir the pot.