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Apr 25 2022 03:20pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 25 Apr 2022 22:09)
The two don't really have much to do with each other. Do I think women and kids that flee the war are Nazis? Lol no.

I'm going to ask you a very simple question though, do you agree that at least some members of the Azov Battalion are neo Nazis? If not, do you think US, European, Jewish groups pointing to them as being neo-Nazis is some conspiracy theory or what exactly?


My opinion is that jewish people are sometimes exagerating a little bit.
For example here in Poland they wanted us to give them back all their pre-war land in Warsaw. As you probably know or not, Warsaw was totally destroyed by nazists during the WW2, similar like Mariupol today or even worse. Nearly all jewish people were either killed, or left the russia-occupied country during the cold war.
Polish people rebuilt the city, and now jewish people descendants want it all back, including all the buildings that were built after the war.
I somehow understand that, who wouldnt want to get buildings and lands worth millions, but I dont see it very fair. especially that pre-war documentation was of course mostly destroyed during the occupation and these ownership documents, taken out of nowhere, are shady.
All of these things are up to some legal disputes, because as a rule of a thumb, these properties shouldnt be given back according to the law, but there is some missing documentation from communist/nazi times that made such things challengable in the court.
So the jewish people called us bad people, which we are not :) Its all dispute about money.

Back to topic about Azov. I believe some of their members could have been neonazi before the 2014 year, but for sure they changed after the 2014 year, and no Ukraine man is neonazi today.
I have a polish friend that is a very right wing one, one year ago he spoke bad things about Ukrainians, because our countries had a "difficult history".
Now he offered his second flat for free for Ukrainians, and keeps on sending money to help UA. War changes things and makes 100 years old events irrevelant.
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Apr 25 2022 03:24pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 25 Apr 2022 21:39)
Ok so we both agree, that Russia nazi reason was faked. They would fake anything: chemistry labs, nukes preparafion, river poisoning, and who knows, maybe even coronavirus was from Ukraine? Seems like a good reason, silly Russians didnt think about it to accuse Ukraine for it :)

Imagine being Ukraine. Country 3 times bigger than yours is trying to kill yours using fake reasoning. As a relatively young country with a difficult history, you also dont have more war heroes, than controversial ones who were also killing civilians as well as enemies.
What do you do? Of course you ally all the parties in your country for nation defence, and you worship your "Heroes" who "faught for freedom in the war".
Even the wonderful USA aint perfect, dont ask Ukraine to be. People arent perfect, even in liberal world.


So Stepan Bandera statue in Warsaw is acceptable, all righty then

This post was edited by Norlander on Apr 25 2022 03:26pm
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Apr 25 2022 03:38pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 26 Apr 2022 05:20)
My opinion is that jewish people are sometimes exagerating a little bit.
For example here in Poland they wanted us to give them back all their pre-war land in Warsaw. As you probably know or not, Warsaw was totally destroyed by nazists during the WW2, similar like Mariupol today or even worse. Nearly all jewish people were either killed, or left the russia-occupied country during the cold war.
Polish people rebuilt the city, and now jewish people descendants want it all back, including all the buildings that were built after the war.
I somehow understand that, who wouldnt want to get buildings and lands worth millions, but I dont see it very fair. especially that pre-war documentation was of course mostly destroyed during the occupation and these ownership documents, taken out of nowhere, are shady.
All of these things are up to some legal disputes, because as a rule of a thumb, these properties shouldnt be given back according to the law, but there is some missing documentation from communist/nazi times that made such things challengable in the court.
So the jewish people called us bad people, which we are not :) Its all dispute about money.

Back to topic about Azov. I believe some of their members could have been neonazi before the 2014 year, but for sure they changed after the 2014 year, and no Ukraine man is neonazi today.
I have a polish friend that is a very right wing one, one year ago he spoke bad things about Ukrainians, because our countries had a "difficult history".
Now he offered his second flat for free for Ukrainians, and keeps on sending money to help UA. War changes things and makes 100 years old events irrevelant.


Let me give some opinion on this.

1. Jewish people exaggerating about Neo Nazi's is kind of true.
2. Azov wise , there is still a lot of Neo Nazi's up till now, (OHCHR) already published reports on them and their actions., Just because you are Nazi , it doesn't mean you are anti-Semitic. Jews can be Nazi's too.
3. The US house of representative have tried to put them on their (FTO) list before.
4. The fact that you said that Ukraine have no Neo Nazi today made me scratch my head, Neo Nazi's are everywhere , Ukraine is not the only country that is prone to it, but lets just say these Neo Nazi's are Ultra right wing Nationalist. Are they any different from the Ultra Right wing Russians? No they are not, they are just as similar. The difference is they are currently being glorified now because of the Russian invasion and in my opinion in a war such glorification are somehow necessary.
5. Neo Nazism ( Ultra Right Wing Groups ) are not specific to a race, creed or religion. There are " Nazi Chinese" "Nazi Japanese" and " Nazi Koreans" too.
6. Last but not least, after world war 2, it is sad that the Jewish didn't get back their " lands " etc but then again Poland was communist, My family lost our buildings and lands in Guangzhou China in late 1950s as well when the Communist took over, and yes we can't take our properties back.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 25 2022 03:40pm
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Quote (Norlander @ 25 Apr 2022 23:24)
So Stepan Bandera statue in Warsaw is acceptable, all righty then

No, it wont be ok. But we can make mr Zelenski statue, no problem with that.
why do you even bring events from 80years ago to this topic?
UA and PL are partners today, and this is what matters.
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Apr 25 2022 03:58pm
Quote (Santara @ 26 Apr 2022 03:32)
Do you fondle Putin's balls before you put them in your mouth?





Biological research =/= bioweapons research. You clowns are falling for a line being fed to you. Your "proof" doesn't say what you think it says. Useful idiots.


May I give my superficial opinion on this.
You are right about Biological Research lab does not equate Bio Weapons Labs. But they can be.
There are a few functions of these research labs, for one , since the Sars out break and Global outbreak in 2004 in China such labs are propped up to search as a research center to find a way to prevent further outbreaks, study them and look for a long term solution.
But can they be weaponized? I believe so. Not in a way to destroy the entire human race but more than enough to reset certain situations.

And didn't the USA admitted that there are research labs in Ukraine? But not weaponized ones?
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Quote (dro94 @ Apr 25 2022 03:17pm)
Good documentary featuring Bellingcat on how Navalny was poisoned: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0016txs


You lost me at featuring Bellingcat :rofl:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Oh man, when will you people learn...

Oh right, never
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Apr 25 2022 04:10pm
Russia: Anti-ship missiles instead of maneuvering missiles.

The Russians used anti-ship missiles of the coastal system "Bał" to attack stationary land targets in Ukraine. This may be proof that the Russian army is slowly running out of precision weapons and that it is necessary to use naval missiles, three times more expensive and twice "weaker" than typical cruise missiles (e.g. "Calibr" system).
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Apr 25 2022 04:12pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 25 2022 04:10pm)
Russia: Anti-ship missiles instead of maneuvering missiles.

The Russians used anti-ship missiles of the coastal system "Bał" to attack stationary land targets in Ukraine. This may be proof that the Russian army is slowly running out of precision weapons and that it is necessary to use naval missiles, three times more expensive and twice "weaker" than typical cruise missiles (e.g. "Calibr" system).


OK mr. "there are no more neo-nazi's in azov" :rofl:

The delusions run high in Europe these days...
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 26 2022 12:58am)
And didn't the USA admitted that there are research labs in Ukraine?


yes, with material inside that for some intersting reason they're scared about Russia obtaining



This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Apr 25 2022 04:17pm
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Quote (HeLiCaL @ 25 Apr 2022 15:05)
USA has to resort to putting a lab in a corrupt shithole on a different continent

shills: "its just fineee bro"

lolololol comedy gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydSf57SRtcQ


Yeah, because, you know, a highly classified bio "weapons" lab would be a great idea to keep in a country that faces hostilities from a country just waiting to pounce on anything anti-American, with an easy risk of it breaking out.

That makes SO much sense. Are you qualified for any type of clearance? No? Thank god.

This post was edited by IchBinDaddy on Apr 25 2022 04:22pm
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