https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/stillbirths-doubled-during-covid-mississippi-204728974.html

Mrna is gonna cause infertility, they said.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/france-us-travelers-restriction-covid/index.html

Egg Shell defense round 2.

So the powers given strictly and directly to Congress now belong to the Executive? How interesting.

Tell me, what is the point of having one branch of government that exists to write the laws, and another to enforce them, if the enforcers are writing the laws?

Go ahead, your spaghetti logic should be fun on this. When you finish, please define what a branch headed by an individual who can arbitrarily write law and enforce that law regardless of what anyone says is called?

It's almost as if the same pussies crying and screaming for four years over a "dictator" are now attempting to excuse the acts of a would-be dictator?

Some executive orders have been found to be unconstitutional (e.g. Youngstown Sheet & Tube v Sawyer), but the concept of the executive order in general is not unconstitutional.

And the other pussies were crying and screaming for eight years when Obama was issuing them.

The beat goes on.

So what's the point of having the Congress then?

Note I am not saying that POTUS cannot issue executive orders. But it just seems to me that with these, he can very easily bypass the congress.

*Civics 101 has entered the chat*

executive orders are a check and balance on the role of the legislature if it's gridlocked, AND its a way to get things moving in case of an emergency faster than the congress can write, debate, vote on, and pass laws.

in essence it gives the exhaustive power of the legislature over to the executive, with an additional check to it's power that all are undone instantly if that same or the next executive undoes them. easier in, easier out, as compared to solid congressional legislation.

overall i personally detest EOs, i support zero that i know of that Obama, Trump, or Biden have signed. but what you said isnt correct in the context of civics and law.

It's OK that you have no response.

When the Constitution clearly states that "Congress Shall Have the Power" and the Executive instead takes that power away from the Congress, it is, by definition, Unconstitutional.

Perhaps there's a disagreement on the meaning of "Constitutional"? As in, when the Constitution directly states what powers belong to the Congress, and which belong to the Executive, and the Executive uses EOs to usurp the power of Congress, and you claim it's not "Unconstitutional" what do you mean exactly?

Basic definition: "not in accordance with a political constitution, especially the US Constitution, or with procedural rules."

So, "Congress shall have the power" means that the CONGRESS has that power, not the executive. For the executive to usurp that power is, directly, definitionally, unconstitutional. See? Simple.

So, once again, what do you call it when the Enforcers start writing their own laws?



These are excuses for why it's okay to install a dictator for 4 years. You're defending unconstitutional actions, but claiming it's okay "this time".

And covid is not an emergency. Sorry. The death rate is too low, and the severely impacted segments of the population are too limited. I don't care if some private, for profit businesses are over capacity or experiencing staffing issues. There's no excuse for violations of the Nuremburg code.

Using a cold to justify tyranny points square to the fact that you have no interest in freedom, that you WANT to be told what to do in every aspect of your life, and that our nation should never have existed. If we're going to be ruled from overlords thousands of miles away, why waste hundreds of thousands of lives to revolt from the brits?

At any rate, if the Legislature is gridlocked, that's specifically because somebody's trying to push through shitty law that's going to fuck a lot of people. Our system was intentionally designed to make change slow. Allowing the executive to usurp the power of the legislative for non-emergencies simply installs a dictator.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 10 2021 10:28am

What's this additional check?