Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 25 2022 11:28am)
One thing I can't really comprehend is Zelensky's unwillingness to distance himself from them. Is it because they are the most zealous fighters?? Like why are you bringing a member of the Azov battalion in you address to the Greek government? Why are you saying things like peace talks are off the table if Russia doesn't let those fighters walk out and be given back to Ukraine.
It's kind of baffling to me. If I was the president I think I would want to make it clear that no Nazis are not our friends, instead he's doing the complete opposite.
as far as I can tell, its most of their fighters, at least those engaged in combat, which could be explained by Russia targeting them on the east. Maybe that's not the case in the west. But pretty much all the war footage involves Nazis. Why else would America be arming the Nazis right now? We've got the fog of war between us and the battlefield, but when Zelenksy wouldn't disavow them, and America is willing to arm them, and all the pro-Ukraine propaganda footage I see involves them, what other conclusion can we draw?
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 25 2022 11:37am)
Evil is evil. Lesser, bigger, middling. Make's no difference. It's all the same. Most of them were nazis, just not everyone was lucky enough to serve as SS, the elite. If a government treats a part of it's own citizens as subhumans (almost acurate quote from Zelensky, he dehumidified people of Donbass to cockroaches saying they will rot in basements while Ukrainian children will go to school) and then asks you to join the army and ceise their existance then you have only two choices. Go underground and rebel or become nazi.
Pretty much every german citizen was a Nazi circa World War 2. To label them all evil is to dehumanize them and deprive them of the complexities of human behavior. Some were depraved murdering psychopaths, some were upjumped peasants. How many Russians support Vladimir Putin? Most of them. How many support the war in Russia? Most of them. How many would be vocal in support, vote for it, even be willing to serve? But how many would actually be willing to massacre civilians and raze cities? There's a difference. How many Americans voiced support for the war in Iraq? How many waved their flags and thumped their chests? How many would be willing to massacre Afghans? Its not a world of good people and evil people. Some Nazis in WW2 were moral and righteous, fighting for their country. Some loaded Jews into ovens.