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Apr 25 2022 11:01am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 25 2022 12:45pm)
Let me give you my superficial opinion on that. In war , apart from your standard defenders fighting by your side, you need some really cruel and unscrupulous people to help you win the war.
Whatever it takes to win, that is the point.

I am not sure if I make sense, but you do realized that the West allied with the Stalin led communist ya ? Well the world ended the Nazi invasion.


I don't think they are comparable. I think almost nothing compares to what Nazi Germany did. Maybe the conversation would be different today if they weren't literally loading thousands of people into ovens.

My family personally suffered under USSR communism, my grandmother and her family was shipped off to Siberia when she was a teen in the 50s but even with that subjective reality making up my perspective I can't say that communism was as bad as Nazism. So you can't really say that allying yourself to communism in WW2 during an existential threat is equally as bad as allying yourself to Nazis today.

Zelensky should be closet happy right now that the Nazis are dying so eventually they can just be a memory to be whited out in instead he's doing his best to yell to the world that no these are our brothers and this is who we are.
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Apr 25 2022 11:05am
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I don't think they are comparable. I think almost nothing compares to what Nazi Germany did. Maybe the conversation would be different today if they weren't literally loading thousands of people into ovens.

My family personally suffered under USSR communism, my grandmother and her family was shipped off to Siberia when she was a teen in the 50s but even with that subjective reality making up my perspective I can't say that communism was as bad as Nazism. So you can't really say that allying yourself to communism in WW2 during an existential threat is equally as bad as allying yourself to Nazis today.

Zelensky should be closet happy right now that the Nazis are dying so eventually they can just be a memory to be whited out in instead he's doing his best to yell to the world that no these are our brothers and this is who we are.


What they were accused of?
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 25 2022 11:28am)
One thing I can't really comprehend is Zelensky's unwillingness to distance himself from them. Is it because they are the most zealous fighters?? Like why are you bringing a member of the Azov battalion in you address to the Greek government? Why are you saying things like peace talks are off the table if Russia doesn't let those fighters walk out and be given back to Ukraine.

It's kind of baffling to me. If I was the president I think I would want to make it clear that no Nazis are not our friends, instead he's doing the complete opposite.


as far as I can tell, its most of their fighters, at least those engaged in combat, which could be explained by Russia targeting them on the east. Maybe that's not the case in the west. But pretty much all the war footage involves Nazis. Why else would America be arming the Nazis right now? We've got the fog of war between us and the battlefield, but when Zelenksy wouldn't disavow them, and America is willing to arm them, and all the pro-Ukraine propaganda footage I see involves them, what other conclusion can we draw?

Quote (Norlander @ Apr 25 2022 11:37am)
Evil is evil. Lesser, bigger, middling. Make's no difference. It's all the same. Most of them were nazis, just not everyone was lucky enough to serve as SS, the elite. If a government treats a part of it's own citizens as subhumans (almost acurate quote from Zelensky, he dehumidified people of Donbass to cockroaches saying they will rot in basements while Ukrainian children will go to school) and then asks you to join the army and ceise their existance then you have only two choices. Go underground and rebel or become nazi.


Pretty much every german citizen was a Nazi circa World War 2. To label them all evil is to dehumanize them and deprive them of the complexities of human behavior. Some were depraved murdering psychopaths, some were upjumped peasants. How many Russians support Vladimir Putin? Most of them. How many support the war in Russia? Most of them. How many would be vocal in support, vote for it, even be willing to serve? But how many would actually be willing to massacre civilians and raze cities? There's a difference. How many Americans voiced support for the war in Iraq? How many waved their flags and thumped their chests? How many would be willing to massacre Afghans? Its not a world of good people and evil people. Some Nazis in WW2 were moral and righteous, fighting for their country. Some loaded Jews into ovens.
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Quote (Norlander @ Apr 25 2022 01:05pm)
What they were accused of?


Great grandfather owned a fair amount of property, between land and owning a store, it was enough to ship them off and seize all of that stuff. It didn't help that they were also Christian.

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Apr 25 2022 11:13am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 26 Apr 2022 01:01)
I don't think they are comparable. I think almost nothing compares to what Nazi Germany did. Maybe the conversation would be different today if they weren't literally loading thousands of people into ovens.

My family personally suffered under USSR communism, my grandmother and her family was shipped off to Siberia when she was a teen in the 50s but even with that subjective reality making up my perspective I can't say that communism was as bad as Nazism. So you can't really say that allying yourself to communism in WW2 during an existential threat is equally as bad as allying yourself to Nazis today.

Zelensky should be closet happy right now that the Nazis are dying so eventually they can just be a memory to be whited out in instead he's doing his best to yell to the world that no these are our brothers and this is who we are.


Even the Nazi's were shocked with what the Japanese did :cry: so definitely you need to check out what the Japs did in East Asia.
Well my Dad escape the Cultural Revolution in China as well, and my family were pretty much devastated at that point, our properties, lands confiscated.
My dad was lucky he survived because he managed to get a job Visa to Macau from China and escaped to Hong Kong after.

But he was caught once when he was 14 trying to escape to Hong Kong and was jailed for 6 months.
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Apr 25 2022 11:20am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 24 2022 09:18pm)
So far Russia has only lost a few thousand dead while blowing primarily through old Soviet stuff (with the exception of aviation and cruise missiles.)

The sanctions are doing some damage but will only force Russia to pivot to non-Russophobic allies, primarily India and China, and others. In the long run they will become completely self-reliant and essentially sanctions-proof.

Ukraine's losses in manpower are more than 10 times Russia's at this stage. It's not sustainable for them, it will be even worse if the 60k in Donbass are all killed or captured.


Is it even possible for you to make a post without lying through your fucking teeth?

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 24 2022 11:55pm)
You're not making any sense.

Ukraine is toast, look for a false flag blaming Russia in the coming weeks/months.


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Apr 25 2022 11:22am
Quote (Goomshill @ 25 Apr 2022 20:05)
as far as I can tell, its most of their fighters, at least those engaged in combat, which could be explained by Russia targeting them on the east. Maybe that's not the case in the west. But pretty much all the war footage involves Nazis. Why else would America be arming the Nazis right now? We've got the fog of war between us and the battlefield, but when Zelenksy wouldn't disavow them, and America is willing to arm them, and all the pro-Ukraine propaganda footage I see involves them, what other conclusion can we draw?



Pretty much every german citizen was a Nazi circa World War 2. To label them all evil is to dehumanize them and deprive them of the complexities of human behavior. Some were depraved murdering psychopaths, some were upjumped peasants. How many Russians support Vladimir Putin? Most of them. How many support the war in Russia? Most of them. How many would be vocal in support, vote for it, even be willing to serve? But how many would actually be willing to massacre civilians and raze cities? There's a difference. How many Americans voiced support for the war in Iraq? How many waved their flags and thumped their chests? How many would be willing to massacre Afghans? Its not a world of good people and evil people. Some Nazis in WW2 were moral and righteous, fighting for their country. Some loaded Jews into ovens.


Everything has a beginning. For the first time you just wave a flag and if you still don't realize that you are cheering mass murder then you go to phase 2. And you go there and serve your homeland on the other side of the world if you are blind enough of what you are doing, bringing a war then you go to phase 3 which is an easier transition because you have to cover your crimes in blood. And you torture, kill innocent untill you go full psychopath which is phase 4. This is where others are judging you. They are somewhere between phase one and three, yet they judge you. Isn't it better to asphyxiate fascism in it's infancy?

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Apr 25 2022 11:33am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 25 Apr 2022 18:28)
One thing I can't really comprehend is Zelensky's unwillingness to distance himself from them. Is it because they are the most zealous fighters?? Like why are you bringing a member of the Azov battalion in you address to the Greek government? Why are you saying things like peace talks are off the table if Russia doesn't let those fighters walk out and be given back to Ukraine.

It's kind of baffling to me. If I was the president I think I would want to make it clear that no Nazis are not our friends, instead he's doing the complete opposite.


Well, Belarus and Russia arent telling you the truth about "nazi" in Ukraine.
For example today Belarus Łukaszenko told that polish people ask Belarus over the border for some food from Belarus people.
While in reality polish people can buy about 3times (!!!) more food for our average salary than Belarus people for theirs. Our problem in Poland is obesity, ROTFL.
Its simply all they say is an ordinary liar.
Some Ukrainians collaborated with nazis during WWII, but so did many French, Belgians, Italians, Hungarians, Japanese etc.
Ukraine people are just normal people, except they are more unbended indeed than western people.
Its very often that the war hero in one country is considered a villain in another country. War is rarely 100% fair, you dont win war by playing fair, there are always civilian losses.
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Apr 25 2022 11:35am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 25 2022 11:20am)
Is it even possible for you to make a post without lying through your fucking teeth?



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I spoke the truth. Your delusional Ukrainian MoD-procured numbers are a laughable joke. Deal with it
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ 25 Apr 2022 12:35)
I spoke the truth. Your delusional Ukrainian MoD-procured numbers are a laughable joke. Deal with it



Oh yes, Ukraine and the West always have fake numbers but the Kremlin never lies.

You’re so lost in your own cesspool of delusion. It’s pathetic and laughable, bro. Just stop.

Why don’t you live in Russia since you claim to live in the US..? Have you ever even spoken to a Russian before??? I would guess not.
It seems like you just have framed photos of shirtless Putin in your house and whack into a soviet flag.

This post was edited by IchBinDaddy on Apr 25 2022 11:39am
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