Quote (Norlander @ 25 Apr 2022 15:08)

Yes, fascism shall not pass

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 25 Apr 2022 18:16)

How about gansters and assassins ?

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 23 2022 01:09pm)

Hmm I find it interesting that you think a force of 100k soldiers attacking a country with an army 3 times that size that is constantly being supplied with the latest NATO/US gear, has been flooded with weapons for 8 years, and constantly receives satellite intelligence from the US, received direct training from US/NATO trainers, etc, and yet still managed to destroy >50% of their heavy military equipment, virtually all of their air and navy, as well as all military industrial factories and fuel refineries, and completely end any chance of a Ukrainian offensive against Donbass, took Mariupol where thousands of hardcore Nazi's willing to fight to the death and using human shields were stationed, and took dozens of other towns and cities, many of which without a fight, and overall took thousands of square kilometers in less than a month...

Is a "failure" because they haven't taken the WHOLE country yet. Despite the fact that Ukraine still has some 250k soldiers to throw into the battle, and are mobilizing more against Russia's 100k in the East of the country.

Yes it's true, Russia will need to send in more than the initial 100k-strong force to take a significant percentage of the country. But to call it a failure they haven't advanced at a rate 20x faster than the US did in Iraq, while facing a far superior enemy that has received massive support for the past 8 years, is ridiculous. As a military man you should understand that, but of course as usual you are blinded by your hysterical Russophobia and your desire to view the Russian military as incompetent or weak, when it clearly isn't the case.

Quote (Santara @ 25 Apr 2022 18:52)

A - 150k Russians. At a time. Because Russia has a million men under arms and can rotate units in and out to put fresh troops on the line.
B - ~200K Ukrainians. With little ability to take shell shocked units off the line, and the need to keep significant reserves around Kyiv and therefore not on the line.
C - Russia has satellites too.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 25 2022 12:18pm)

A distinction worth making is that during the third reich, many civilians were Nazis out of a national identity and culture more than militant ideology. There was certainly no shortage of zealots like the SS, but your average german bloke was a reasonable and sociable person. They might hold the same antisemitic attitudes, but its not like they went around every day torturing puppies. You had american soldiers and allied civilians interacting peacefully with former Nazis after the war ended- though not so much on the eastern front. I point this out as a contrast with the modern day where you have to choose to be a Nazi, out of extremistic political beliefs. There's no common Nazi citizenry, not in Ukraine or otherwise, who just happen to be party affiliated but otherwise normal. You're only going to wave Nazi flags and tattoo yourself with Nazi symbols if you're an ideologically motivated psychopath. Akin so the SS officers of WW2. So when people willingly affiliate themselves with Nazism today, its basically saying they're all SS-types, not "I worked as a baker and don't really care about politics but am willing to serve my country". So maybe we should distinguish between Azov being mere Nazis and more SS-affiliated Nazis, as their history and ideology and symbolism all reflect- more Himmler than Hitler even

Quote (Goomshill @ 25 Apr 2022 19:18)

A distinction worth making is that during the third reich, many civilians were Nazis out of a national identity and culture more than militant ideology. There was certainly no shortage of zealots like the SS, but your average german bloke was a reasonable and sociable person. They might hold the same antisemitic attitudes, but its not like they went around every day torturing puppies. You had american soldiers and allied civilians interacting peacefully with former Nazis after the war ended- though not so much on the eastern front. I point this out as a contrast with the modern day where you have to choose to be a Nazi, out of extremistic political beliefs. There's no common Nazi citizenry, not in Ukraine or otherwise, who just happen to be party affiliated but otherwise normal. You're only going to wave Nazi flags and tattoo yourself with Nazi symbols if you're an ideologically motivated psychopath. Akin so the SS officers of WW2. So when people willingly affiliate themselves with Nazism today, its basically saying they're all SS-types, not "I worked as a baker and don't really care about politics but am willing to serve my country". So maybe we should distinguish between Azov being mere Nazis and more SS-affiliated Nazis, as their history and ideology and symbolism all reflect- more Himmler than Hitler even

Quote (ofthevoid @ 26 Apr 2022 00:28)

One thing I can't really comprehend is Zelensky's unwillingness to distance himself from them. Is it because they are the most zealous fighters?? Like why are you bringing a member of the Azov battalion in you address to the Greek government? Why are you saying things like peace talks are off the table if Russia doesn't let those fighters walk out and be given back to Ukraine.

It's kind of baffling to me. If I was the president I think I would want to make it clear that no Nazis are not our friends, instead he's doing the complete opposite.

Quote (Norlander @ 25 Apr 2022 16:06)

Main fault (not to say treason) was an attempt to take Kyevan Oblast and then Kyev with just ~100k. Only a three-fold superiority works in urban environment if you are not shelling the sh*t out of a city. I developed a chronic migraine constantly facepalming.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 25 2022 05:18pm)

A distinction worth making is that during the third reich, many civilians were Nazis out of a national identity and culture more than militant ideology. There was certainly no shortage of zealots like the SS, but your average german bloke was a reasonable and sociable person. They might hold the same antisemitic attitudes, but its not like they went around every day torturing puppies. You had american soldiers and allied civilians interacting peacefully with former Nazis after the war ended- though not so much on the eastern front. I point this out as a contrast with the modern day where you have to choose to be a Nazi, out of extremistic political beliefs. There's no common Nazi citizenry, not in Ukraine or otherwise, who just happen to be party affiliated but otherwise normal. You're only going to wave Nazi flags and tattoo yourself with Nazi symbols if you're an ideologically motivated psychopath. Akin so the SS officers of WW2. So when people willingly affiliate themselves with Nazism today, its basically saying they're all SS-types, not "I worked as a baker and don't really care about politics but am willing to serve my country".