Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Sep 2021 11:22)

u keep saying you're forced to take a shot that you have an open choice not to take, while also zooming between calculations of the individual and population without pausing.

let's simplify, i'm going to make a statement on your behalf and u correct where i have you wrong:

"the government, who is democratically elected by the population, and who's basic function is to manage the wellbeing of the population and commerce among the population, cannot make it harder for me as an individual to participate in commerce, unless they can prove with science that the vaccine designed to prevent population wide spread of a disease not only reduces my individual chance to spread the disease if i get a breakthrough infection, but also has zero long term side effects"

Quote (theCrossbones @ 9 Sep 2021 11:23)

have you done the math of without the vax

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 9 Sep 2021 11:17)

Alot of available covid vaccines are not mRna

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 07:37pm)

Yes, and the methodology for the non-mRNA vaccines say that if you've had covid, you do not need the vaccine. You will gain no benefit whatsoever. AKA taking it is pointless. So, why should a person who's had covid need to take, for instance, the J&J vaccine? Natural immunity, according to the science, is many times MORE effective than vaccine immunity.

Stop being a science denier and exercise some critical thought, once again.

Quote (SylvesterStallone @ 9 Sep 2021 18:30)

whatsup
https://i.postimg.cc/rspx5KYz/x12.jpg

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 9 Sep 2021 18:37)

gy for the non-mRNA vaccines say that if you've had covid, you do not need the vaccine. You will gain no benefit whatsoever. AKA taking it is pointless. So, why should a person who's had covid need to take, for instance, the J&J vaccine? Natural immunity, according to the science, is many times MORE effective than vaccine immunity. Stop being a science denier and exercise some critical thought, once again.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 01:37pm)

Your statement should properly read, "The government, who is democratically elected by the population, and who's basic function is to serve the defense of the population and insure free exercise of commerce, shall not block any citizen from commerce unless there is a health crisis so dangerous that the impacted individuals need to be actively quarantined. Further, that government shall not violate the bodily autonomy of the citizens it serves without concrete evidence that the medication it is using is safe, effective, long lasting, and will cause no notable long term side effects."

Not only has every lockdown violated one of the government's primary functions, that of insuring the free exercise of commerce, but now they're pursuing means by which they can violate bodily autonomy. All over a cold with an infinitesimally low death rate among the working aged and healthy. And why? Well, dunno! Vaccines are available. If people want them, go get them. If you don't want them, or you've already had covid, don't get them. You own your own body. Not the government. :)



Snipping the irrelevant nonsense that's already been addressed. As to the math, I'm asking you to do the math. The CDC and WHO have said asymptomatic spread occurs. The CDC and WHO have said the vaccinated are carriers and spreaders of the virus even though they themselves may not get sick. Thus the question, for the 20th time, "How have the vaccines limited the spread?" So, take your own advice, gather the data, and DO the math of vax vs non vax, and show us your work. :)



Yes, and the methodology for the non-mRNA vaccines say that if you've had covid, you do not need the vaccine. You will gain no benefit whatsoever. AKA taking it is pointless. So, why should a person who's had covid need to take, for instance, the J&J vaccine? Natural immunity, according to the science, is many times MORE effective than vaccine immunity.

Stop being a science denier and exercise some critical thought, once again.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 9 Sep 2021 11:48)

You can't know if you have covid if you dont have any symptom, a kid could understand, seems it's not even your case.
A test has been done and it's positive so it's ok. Stop your harassment and personal attacks. Go get your Darwin prize elsewhere.

You can't accept that vaccines are reducing symptoms of a disease. How could you even use the word "science" ? :lol:

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Sep 2021 11:56)

The govts purpose from the onset of the constitution is to regulate, not simply insure free exercise, of commerce. u might dream it to be changed, but that's fact.

and u keep stating your bodily autonomy is at risk, for a vaccine you're free not to get. based on restrictions of commerce u can only call a constant by painting the picture of a unicorn with no other choices who i assume u dont match.

i find both your idea that the govt's purpose is to ensure a free market alone, and your inability to admit that a lowered chance to get a virus directly reflects on your chance to spread a virus to be frankly odd.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 9 2021 07:48pm)

You can't know if you have covid if you dont have any symptom, a kid could understand, seems it's not even your case.
A test has been done and it's positive so it's ok. Stop your harassment and personal attacks. Go get your Darwin prize elsewhere.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 12:01pm)

Man oh man.

1. So now, covid tests aren't real? You can't take a PCR or blood test and determine if you have covid? When did this occur? Why did we dedicate so many billions into testing people if the tests don't work?

2. If a person has already had and recovered from Covid, they now have natural immunity. Their bodies can naturally produce the needed antibodies any time they face the same (or a similar) virus. The J&J vaccine, as well as similar vaccines, utilize a weakened/dead strain of covid OR a strain that is similar to covid in an attempt to gain the same impact catching covid already has, thus providing you a level of natural immunity. Thus, if you already HAVE natural immunity, because you've CAUGHT COVID, then the non-mRNA vaccines do NOTHING for you. Is that so difficult to understand?

I think I agree with Sly, you aren't a science denier, you're simply ignorant of the science.



1. False. The government's purpose from the onset (if speaking Federal Government) was not to regulate. That's a State's Rights issue. Their purpose was to insure the freedom of Interstate Commerce. AKA preventing states boycotting or blockading other states.

2. If you are prevented from conducting commerce then you are preventing from conducting commerce. There's no unicorn here. If you cannot work, if you cannot purchase, if you cannot sell, without having foreign matter injected into your body, that is a violation of your bodily autonomy. AKA Rape. :)

3. Sly's point regarding Sauci was apt, and I'm glad you agree with him. Sauci is ignorant. You, on the other hand, are an active science denier. :)

Quote (thundercock @ 9 Sep 2021 12:19)

Haven't there been studies that indicate natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines but they also say that getting the vaccine after being infected is the most effective? I don't think it's definitive yet, but the results are promising.

As for your interpretation of government responsibilities, I suggest reading the Federalist Papers to clear up any confusion. However, that will only get you so far because responsibilities and the law has changed over time.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 11:37am)

Your statement should properly read, "The government, who is democratically elected by the population, and who's basic function is to serve the defense of the population and insure free exercise of commerce, shall not block any citizen from commerce unless there is a health crisis so dangerous that the impacted individuals need to be actively quarantined. Further, that government shall not violate the bodily autonomy of the citizens it serves without concrete evidence that the medication it is using is safe, effective, long lasting, and will cause no notable long term side effects."

Not only has every lockdown violated one of the government's primary functions, that of insuring the free exercise of commerce, but now they're pursuing means by which they can violate bodily autonomy. All over a cold with an infinitesimally low death rate among the working aged and healthy. And why? Well, dunno! Vaccines are available. If people want them, go get them. If you don't want them, or you've already had covid, don't get them. You own your own body. Not the government. :)



Snipping the irrelevant nonsense that's already been addressed. As to the math, I'm asking you to do the math. The CDC and WHO have said asymptomatic spread occurs. The CDC and WHO have said the vaccinated are carriers and spreaders of the virus even though they themselves may not get sick. Thus the question, for the 20th time, "How have the vaccines limited the spread?" So, take your own advice, gather the data, and DO the math of vax vs non vax, and show us your work. :)



Yes, and the methodology for the non-mRNA vaccines say that if you've had covid, you do not need the vaccine. You will gain no benefit whatsoever. AKA taking it is pointless. So, why should a person who's had covid need to take, for instance, the J&J vaccine? Natural immunity, according to the science, is many times MORE effective than vaccine immunity.

Stop being a science denier and exercise some critical thought, once again.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 02:01pm)

Man oh man.

1. So now, covid tests aren't real? You can't take a PCR or blood test and determine if you have covid? When did this occur? Why did we dedicate so many billions into testing people if the tests don't work?

2. If a person has already had and recovered from Covid, they now have natural immunity. Their bodies can naturally produce the needed antibodies any time they face the same (or a similar) virus. The J&J vaccine, as well as similar vaccines, utilize a weakened/dead strain of covid OR a strain that is similar to covid in an attempt to gain the same impact catching covid already has, thus providing you a level of natural immunity. Thus, if you already HAVE natural immunity, because you've CAUGHT COVID, then the non-mRNA vaccines do NOTHING for you. Is that so difficult to understand?

I think I agree with Sly, you aren't a science denier, you're simply ignorant of the science.



1. False. The government's purpose from the onset (if speaking Federal Government) was not to regulate. That's a State's Rights issue. Their purpose was to insure the freedom of Interstate Commerce. AKA preventing states boycotting or blockading other states.

2. If you are prevented from conducting commerce then you are preventing from conducting commerce. There's no unicorn here. If you cannot work, if you cannot purchase, if you cannot sell, without having foreign matter injected into your body, that is a violation of your bodily autonomy. AKA Rape. :)

3. Sly's point regarding Sauci was apt, and I'm glad you agree with him. Sauci is ignorant. You, on the other hand, are an active science denier. :)

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To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;