1. are u facing any potential for a forced vaccine? as in they hold u down? because i can tell u most rapists dont say "have sex with me or u cant go to restaurants".

2. the bolded, again, isn't true in the context of a population. which, again, is what vaccines are designed for. smallpox was only 95% effective for individuals, and yet its gone.

rules are still pretty dumb.
you can enter restaurants for example if you have a vaccine from 9 months ago, however you cannot enter them if you have had virus only 2 months ago and have antibodies now.
even with scientists saying antibodies are 6 to 13 times more effective than vaccine, you cant use that to have any liberties

Smallpox was not an airborne virus. When you enforce vaccination of a virus that requires direct contact, you have a good shot at eradicating it. Likewise, it didn't have 4000 different strains that having varying degrees of resistance to your new and experimental vaccination method. Likewise, the Smallpox vaccine was given 109 years worth of stage four studies before it was ruled Constitutional to mandate it.

And yes, being told you cannot carry out your day to day life, have a job, buy food, clothes, etc. if you do not vaccinate is force. In many ways, rape would be better.

that is 100% an issue, natural antibodies should make for exemptions.

fine, but ur still dodging. my point with smallpox wasnt to show its a 1:1 comparison on the viral level. it was to demonstrate that even wildly successful vaccines weren't 100% effective (because you're obsessed with the individual), and that vaccines are designed for populations.

further, the J&J shot exists, without experimental mrna tech. something u anti vaxxers like to conveniently forget, even if it does qualify in mandates. something i find odd. just get the J&J.

ur claims that not being able to eat in a mcdonalds is worse than rape is cringey and gross tbh.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 9 2021 12:08pm

How would the J&J vaccine be useful to anyone who has had covid? As it turns out, T-Cell immunity is more effective than vaccine immunity.

So it seems that you're saying that you have a right to violate bodily autonomy as long as... um... You take something you don't need?

There's no anti-vaxxer in this thread. There ARE science deniers though. Science does not care about your feelings. So let's look at the science:

1. We do not know what if any mid to long term impacts the mRNA vaccines may have. This is not knowable. There have been zero phase 4 studies. Done.
2. Natural immunity has been acknowledged to be superior to vaccine immunity.
3. Natural immunity only has active antibodies in your body for a limited time. However, your body can produce more antibodies at the drop of a hat... Or, more accurately, at future contact with the virus.
4. The J&J shot is useless if you've already had covid.

So, where does that land us? Violating bodily autonomy with an experimental drug without any idea of potential mid to long term side effects, taking a drug that there's no point in taking (Sorry mate, I've had covid), or not being able to work, shop, or live in "society".

At what point do you look at your stance and start to think, "Maybe I'm an authoritarian who doesn't value science in the slightest, but just likes to use it as a buzzword" ??

You are just dodging.Alot of available covid vaccines are not mRna, you are hidding behind words since you are wrong on absolutely everything else, like the other poster who only have insults left.
Despicable, you lose.

u keep saying you're forced to take a shot that you have an open choice not to take, while also zooming between calculations of the individual and population without pausing.

let's simplify, i'm going to make a statement on your behalf and u correct where i have you wrong:

"the government, who is democratically elected by the population, and who's basic function is to manage the wellbeing of the population and commerce among the population, cannot make it harder for me as an individual to participate in commerce, unless they can prove with science that the vaccine designed to prevent population wide spread of a disease not only reduces my individual chance to spread the disease if i get a breakthrough infection, but also has zero long term side effects"

So your stating you don't understand that there can be efficacy changes based on variants? thats hard to comprehend? It's not but in typical fashion your on this minuta BS debate team? why?
They vax is still highly effective in stopping serious disease.. /end no further debate needed on that.

There may be a variant that is so far different they may need to adjust the vax. I already stated that. So as stated in my original point for now it is working unless it mutates beyond beyond being effective.. such a stupid conversation..
I also stated that I like the flexibility of the mRNA as they could adjust to match said variant.

Spread of 2nd hand smoke and choosing to get a vax.. I don't even know what to say.. It's not really even part of the debate.. it was masking and eliminating people spreading both germs/2nd hand smoke and I think both requirements should be enforced as NOT doing them infringes on other peoples "frEEdom" and actually endangers them.. So I have no idea why you go from masking/2nd hand smoke to getting a shot???

and thanks so much for highlighting that germs exist in life.. LOL really??
And stating some point about massive numbers still sick post vax is what? Proof that its a serious issue? have you done the math of without the vax

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