Quote (InsaneBobb @ 9 Sep 2021 14:55)

How much is it impacting the spread? According to the CDC and WHO, those who've been vaccinated can still spread the virus. Likewise, at 88% efficacy vs the Delta, if 7.5 Billion people all got the vaccine, 900 million could still end up not only with the virus, but impacted by severe complications up to and including death.

You're speaking in odd generalities without providing any specific numbers.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 9 Sep 2021 10:15)

Vaccinated = less symptomes = less spread. Shocking.

If you cant accept that vaccination (globally) reduce a disease (vaccinable) spread well: seek help. Thats the last thing you have to do.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 9 2021 12:15pm)

Vaccinated = less symptomes = less spread. Shocking.

If you cant accept that vaccination (globally) reduce a disease (vaccinable) spread well: seek help. Thats the last thing you have to do.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 12:17pm)

So your answer is that you have no data. Gotcha. Well, being that I'm not anti-science, I'll stick with the actual data.

So when you have data showing just what impact vaccinated vs unvaccinated has on the spread, come on back. Until then, quiet, there are adults talking. :)

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 9 2021 06:15pm)

Vaccinated = less symptomes = less spread. Shocking.

If you cant accept that vaccination (globally) reduce a disease (vaccinable) spread well: seek help. Thats the last thing you have to do.

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Sep 2021 10:18)

you already provided it. the vaccines are 88% effective and avoidance of delta.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 12:32pm)

No, that's 88% effective in not becoming sick with Delta. But the vaccinated, according to the CDC and WHO can still spread the virus without expressing symptoms. Likewise, according to the WHO and CDC, asymptomatic spread exists for covid.

So, the realistic thing to do here is simply admit, "We don't know what impact, if any, the vaccine has on spread of the virus, because we have no real data regarding asymptomatic spread."

But, people pushing a political narrative seldom wish to admit ignorance when they demand people do something those people don't wish to do. :)

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Sep 2021 10:37)

so we can't say that something that drastically reduces my chances to get covid will then drastically reduce my chance to have covid, and then spread covid?

it just seems like that unless u are given the aggregate score of 10 different years long academic studies you cant admit the above. which seems odd.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 9 Sep 2021 07:04)

- Refusing to get vaccinated is impacting the spread, especially when masks and distance restrictions are not easy to apply.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 12:43pm)

No, the statement was simple, "You have no data or information regarding what impact being vaccinated has on the spread of Covid." And that is 100% accurate. You do not.

Let's get back to the original quote I was responding to:



Once again, the CDC and WHO have clearly stated that Asymptomatic spread is possible, and the vaccine does not prevent you from being a carrier and spreading the virus.

So, my question is simple, "Where's the data indicating vaccines have any impact whatsoever on the spread of the virus?"

If you want to reorient the discussion around, "Well, you'll be 88% less likely to get sick from it" that's a "who gives a shit?" Because if people would rather get sick than take medicine, that's their choice. They have bodily autonomy. No, the argument is on your impact on others. And based on the very advice of the CDC and WHO, we have no data or verifiable evidence that the vaccine limits the spread in any way. So, those who want to have the chance to avoid getting sick from the virus should probably vaccine up. But based on the limited data we have at this time, there is absolutely no reason to claim some kind of virtue that you're "preventing the spread". :)

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 9 Sep 2021 17:43)

Once again, the CDC and WHO have clearly stated that Asymptomatic spread is possible, and the vaccine does not prevent you from being a carrier and spreading the virus.

So, my question is simple, "Where's the data indicating vaccines have any impact whatsoever on the spread of the virus?"

If you want to reorient the discussion around, "Well, you'll be 88% less likely to get sick from it" that's a "who gives a shit?" Because if people would rather get sick than take medicine, that's their choice. They have bodily autonomy. No, the argument is on your impact on others. And based on the very advice of the CDC and WHO, we have no data or verifiable evidence that the vaccine limits the spread in any way. So, those who want to have the chance to avoid getting sick from the virus should probably vaccine up. But based on the limited data we have at this time, there is absolutely no reason to claim some kind of virtue that you're "preventing the spread". :)

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Sep 2021 10:48)

it appears you're laser focused on the individual. likely an ego extension of yourself. what % chance does the vaccine have for ME to spread it if I get vaccinated, in essence.

vaccines are not strictly designed for the individual, they're designed for populations. spread itself is also a metric for populations, not the individual.

in any case ur decreased chance to get it directly applies to your chance to spread it in the context of a population.

to your favor if vaccines decrease symptoms its possible people will be asymptomatic and more likely to spread the disease if they get a breakthrough, but we're talking about small tweaks of percents in comparison to a drastic percent less likelihood u get it at all if vaccinated. so it comes off like u framed the conversation just to make a point where the closer is "we dont know". bit odd.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 9 Sep 2021 10:50)

- Oh and also 200+ years of Medical History to re-write.