Vaccine protects from variants and most important; protects from severe forms of the disease and hospitalizations.
Amounts of unvaccinated % in ICU should make you silent for ever.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 9 2021 05:18am

Saucisson, with very little respect, please stop quoting me. Just ignore what I post. you're literally a dumbass.

So you were trolling or you are a complete idiot.

um.. you should look into these mRNA vax's and why they actually do work..
They target the spike protein (at this time) which all of these mutations for now have in common. So to your "you're a dumbass" to the people because you think the vax won't help vs variants is simply not true YET.
Now clearly there could be one that escapes, or has less effect to a certain variant..
That is part of why the mRNA technology is pretty smart.. They can reformulate the "target" if one strain really gets "out of the box"
They will not have to re culture a safe grade part of the virus to make it work. It's also the same reason they hope mRNA will be helpful in targeting cancers.
Testing for no symptoms is not illogical---------The term is Asymptomatic.
Masking for people that have not symptoms is not illogical-----The term is Asymptomatic.
Tobacco & Alcohol are not contagious no need to defend against the idiots in that crowd.. Although you can see the smoker FrEEdoM has been removed from public smoking for the same reason..
YOu FREedOM cannot bring harm to others.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Sep 9 2021 07:28am

yes he is

Huh. So what I'm reading indicates that Pfizer efficacy vs Alpha is ~95%, but only 88% vs Delta. Why the difference if the only determining factor is the spike protein?

Any attempt to compare vaccination to smoking is not merely a false equivalency, but stupid. When you smoke around other people, you're actively removing their choice not to smoke. On the flipside, opting not to get vaccinated doesn't impact another person's ability to vaccinate in any way.

Fact: #1 Comorbidity is Obesity, which is 99%+ a lifestyle choice. People CHOOSE to be obese. Obesity is the #1 cause for hospitalization, regardless of covid. The health side effects of being a fat fuck are the greatest preventable stressor on the healthcare system that does or has ever existed. If this is your attitude regarding Covid, it's time we implement a fat tax. If you are obese, you need to be taxed at 80%+ to offset your drain on society.

I don't think comparing the deaths of a legal to consume thing to covid is stupid. It shows how not severe of an danger covid is. If there were no media coverage for this most people wouldn't be able to tell something changed.

The foundation is illogic, asymptomatic transmission isn't a danger. It depends on the carrier viral load and you know when you're sick unless you're not honest. Global population increased in 2020

This post was edited by TheHitman on Sep 9 2021 07:53am

- You should try to show us how bad are 2x pfizer shots. I means with simple numbers and sources on casualties...
- Refusing to get vaccinated is impacting the spread, especially when masks and distance restrictions are not easy to apply.
- Your statement is wrong, certainly not 99%, and the funny part is underweight also have more chances to get hospitalized (>= 65 years)
- You may add smokers, or people doing too much sport or taking too much drugs or body-building diets in your super smart analysis of WHO cost the most.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 9 2021 08:23am

LOL wut?

Yes the Delta from what I understand has like a double spike.. I could be wrong.. but the fact is that the mRNA are not as effective as they were not designed to fit "Delta" exactly.. But they are still 88% effective as you pointed out..
so targeting the proteins is working.. There may have to be a re adjustment as stated.. again just cherry pickings BS to fit you perspective. They were designed for the OG COVID.. your argument actually proves my point.
Next.

2nd hand smoke is so close to spreading virus it ridiculous.. if you cant figure out this equivalent.. you should never talk about COVID.
Spreading germs vs spreading 2nd hand smoke--LOL come on..

I've had enough of your side bar minutia goal post changing debates that it's a waste of time

You specifically stated: "They target the spike protein (at this time) which all of these mutations for now have in common." Yet there's a clear efficacy difference between the alpha and delta variants. I was asking you a simple question of, "If targeting the spike protein is all that's needed, why is there that efficacy difference?"

As to spreading covid, the CDC and WHO have openly stated that those who've been vaccinated can still spread Covid. Therefore, your vaccination status has absolutely nothing in common with second hand smoke. People who don't smoke cannot spread second hand smoke. The only comparison you can make is that smoking around other people removes their ability to choose not to smoke. Where choosing not to vaccinate does not remove other people's choice to vaccinate.

"Germs" exist in all of life. That's precisely why you have an immune system. Without a certain level of "germs" in you at any given time, you cannot digest food, and will die. What you're attempting to do is treat people as though they themselves are viruses. This is stupid. If you're afraid of other people, self-quarantine.



How much is it impacting the spread? According to the CDC and WHO, those who've been vaccinated can still spread the virus. Likewise, at 88% efficacy vs the Delta, if 7.5 Billion people all got the vaccine, 900 million could still end up not only with the virus, but impacted by severe complications up to and including death.

You're speaking in odd generalities without providing any specific numbers.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 9 2021 09:03am