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Apr 24 2022 07:37pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 24 2022 08:07pm)
Ukraine has no chance. What will the new narrative be once Russia takes the full Donbass? The defeated Russian military resorts to warcrimes to achieve victory, the heroic Ukrainians only lost because of the brutality of Putin?


I don't see anybody seriously saying Ukraine has a chance. Russia will win if they keep going. They are just much larger and more powerful.

However, Russia will take a big hit militarily from Ukraine's resistance, and the economic sanctions. The game the whole time has been making it painful enough that Russia doesn't see victory as worth the price it has to pay.
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Apr 24 2022 07:39pm
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Ukraine has no chance. What will the new narrative be once Russia takes the full Donbass? The defeated Russian military resorts to warcrimes to achieve victory, the heroic Ukrainians only lost because of the brutality of Putin?


So when Russia takes the entirety of the region they controlled most of before the war started? It's only taken them a month to not capture the rest so far.
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Apr 24 2022 08:18pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 24 2022 07:37pm)
I don't see anybody seriously saying Ukraine has a chance. Russia will win if they keep going. They are just much larger and more powerful.

However, Russia will take a big hit militarily from Ukraine's resistance, and the economic sanctions. The game the whole time has been making it painful enough that Russia doesn't see victory as worth the price it has to pay.


So far Russia has only lost a few thousand dead while blowing primarily through old Soviet stuff (with the exception of aviation and cruise missiles.)

The sanctions are doing some damage but will only force Russia to pivot to non-Russophobic allies, primarily India and China, and others. In the long run they will become completely self-reliant and essentially sanctions-proof.

Ukraine's losses in manpower are more than 10 times Russia's at this stage. It's not sustainable for them, it will be even worse if the 60k in Donbass are all killed or captured.

Quote (Sioux @ Apr 24 2022 07:39pm)
So when Russia takes the entirety of the region they controlled most of before the war started? It's only taken them a month to not capture the rest so far.


This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan, genius. It's easy for us Americans to talk shit when we've gone up against shepherds and lightly armed militias using insurgent tactics and "won" without much resistance (and even then pulling out after 20 years and immediately losing all that ground), but the reality is that Russia is doing a job 100x harder and against an enemy constantly being supplied with billions in weaponry. And yet they are still pulling it off... hmm, I wonder why that is?
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Apr 24 2022 08:37pm
Bloated Putin will simply not do it

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Apr 24 2022 10:22pm
Quote (Sioux @ Apr 24 2022 06:39pm)
So when Russia takes the entirety of the region they controlled most of before the war started? It's only taken them a month to not capture the rest so far.


Russia never controlled the entire Donbass. Separatists controlled a good chunk of it. Try to keep up
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Apr 24 2022 10:49pm
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Russia never controlled the entire Donbass. Separatists controlled a good chunk of it. Try to keep up


Separatists who were allied with and funded by which country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)
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Apr 24 2022 10:55pm
Quote (Sioux @ Apr 24 2022 10:49pm)
Separatists who were allied with and funded by which country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)


You're not making any sense.

Ukraine is toast, look for a false flag blaming Russia in the coming weeks/months.
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Manu, my boy. See what I've got in Auchan.



Not going to wear it, you all know why. Just in case you support Auchan and Leroy Merlin, you gotta admit that they are making money while you are going to politics head over heels.
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Apr 24 2022 11:44pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 25 Apr 2022 03:37)
I don't see anybody seriously saying Ukraine has a chance. Russia will win if they keep going. They are just much larger and more powerful.

However, Russia will take a big hit militarily from Ukraine's resistance, and the economic sanctions. The game the whole time has been making it painful enough that Russia doesn't see victory as worth the price it has to pay.


Well, we will see about that. Ukraine had some succeses already, and Russians attacking army is already nearly halved.
Russia is a bigger country, but their morale is low, while defenders are fighting for their lifes and their families. Russia cannot simply put their full potential into attacking war, as they did when defending from Hitler. While Ukraine can and does.
Western countries didnt stop trading with Ukraine because the war, so they keep some options to continues buying weapons and supplies and intelligence info in the west. And they have a huge discount or deffered payments for sure :)
There are many good people in the liberal world, including myself, that support Ukraine in many ways. Good, liberal people need to stick together.
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Apr 24 2022 11:46pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 25 Apr 2022 08:44)
Well, we will see about that. Ukraine had some succeses already, and Russians attacking army is already nearly halved.
Russia is a bigger country, but their morale is low, while defenders are fighting for their lifes and their families. Russia cannot simply put their full potential into attacking war, as they did when defending from Hitler. While Ukraine can and does.
Western countries didnt stop trading with Ukraine because the war, so they keep some options to continues buying weapons and supplies and intelligence info in the west. And they have a huge discount or deffered payments for sure :)
There are many good people in the liberal world, including myself, that support Ukraine in many ways. Good, liberal people need to stick together.


As a Ukrainian I demand a Stepan Bandera statue in Warsaw to show a true support of my people.
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