In America, "living in poverty" means eating mcdonalds every other meal, weighing 300+ lbs, taking public transport everywhere, living in 10+ story apartment blocks with central heating and toilets, and getting free healthcare
In Russia, "living in poverty" means no drinking water, electricity or toilets.

I am from Singapore and I work in Hong Kong.
First thing first I will discuss things that I am familiar with that I have direct contact with and I will answer you one by one.
I will not answer subjects which I am not familiar with.

1. Freedom of Speech , there is freedom of speech in Hong Kong and China. I come from a country called Singapore, if you look up of the freedom of speech index, my country is behind Russia and Belarus, just to let you know.
But the West have almost nothing bad to say about my country, maybe some progressive liberal media do, but when it comes to the government level may it be Europe of USA , absolutely love my country to bits if I may say.
You can talk about anything you want in Hong Kong. In China you can talk about everything you want, but if you touch on the core issue of the CCP government and your China Twitter is being viewed millions of times and if the government think that it is a seditious issue, well you will be invited for a cup of coffee.

In Singapore , the government will sue the crap out of you for defamation. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences.

2. Freedom of press , see above point 1.

3. Freedom of Internet , In Hong Kong Absolutely. In China ? Officially no. But everyone uses VPN and watches world wide news day in and out. It is similar to buying or eating chewing gum in Singapore which is officially ban, they don't really or purposely catch you using VPN unless your actions affect national security.

4. Hukou system, yes you are right it is a very sad issue.

5. Freedom of Association , not really. Thats why the West are setting up factories in China left right and center.

6. Religious freedom, absolutely as long as you do not interfere with the ruling party or create a cult or create some Christian Evangelistic movement like the USA " see Billy Graham, Creflo Dollar "

7. Organ Harvesting, I believed it happen in Tier 3 to 4 Cities back in the 90s and 2000s I do not have enough information on it , but I will not be surprised, there are some corrupted and inhuman officials at that time.

8. Political Freedom. No , why should they ?

9. Independence movement? ( Please elaborate)?

10. Political Prisoners , Absolutely Yes, like in Everywhere else in the World.

11. Freedom of movement , Yes. I go anywhere I want , hardly feel unsafe in Tier 1 or 2 cities, Foreigners have better protection more often than not.

12. Capital punishments? Yes, well I am from Singapore, I don't see a problem with that when it is being used on Murderers / Drug lords . We do death by hanging in Singapore, a law which used to be in the British Common law system, we just felt that it was necessary for high crimes.

And last but not least Xinjiang Uyghurs.

I have been there , the numbers are not in the millions , there abouts 150 to 200 thousand " extremist" were sent into camps. Most have been released.
And here is the funny thing, do you notice when the USA and Europe are harping on the problem in Xinjiang day in day out, 95% of the Muslim countries or majority of Muslim countries didn't make much of a noise?

Do you know why ?

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 23 2022 10:00am

You're describing Russia like it's fucking Palestine or Syria. Uhh, no, try again.

well, with more mud and less israeli-funded sanitation, not far off the mark

I'm still surprised by what you are saying about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps
Maybe tell wikipedia that their data is wrong ?

Anyway, I was not waiting for these answers, even if i read it, thank you.
I just presented the topics, there are simply too much to focuse on only 1 or to "discuss" about all them.

So i asked you 1 personal question, remember ?

=> Which human right violation is the worst, in China, on your eyes ? Which one breaks the most your singaporean-who-works-in-hong-kong heart ?
What's interesting me here is the asiatic sensibility on the "human rights" question. It can be a detail, a "small" violation, it will be ok... But i'm very curious wich one.

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Im sure we can add much details

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 23 2022 10:24am

Palestinians don't have indoor plumbing because Israel turns off the water, Russians don't have indoor plumbing because it's just not there.

I've been to both cities. Singapore was pretty cool. I remember getting pretty drunk at the bar on the 70th floor of the Westin Stamford (I think it's a Swissotel now), then taking a limo tour of the city. The botanical gardens there are beautiful. Hong Kong was amazing as well, although I was there while it was still under British control.

In regards to wikipedia

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What breaks my heart is.

1. Draconian Covid law which is happening in Shanghai now ( But I know why they are doing this if you wish I can elaborate )
2. Arrogance from the Noveauv Riche in China who has " conenctions" to the government.
3. Freedom of information from common folks to the Central Government in Beijing ( This is slowly changing )
4. Jailing / Punishment of individuals who provide factual information to the government.
5. Corruption ( But this have been tackled quite well so far )
6. Trying to " encourage " or slowly trying to get rid of local dialects. ( But they have not been successful so far and are slowly phasing it out ).

I am not sure if the above is considered " Human Rights ".
We can't change the fact on Organ Harvesting, it is over , past and dealt with.
We cannot change Xinjiang, most have been released but there are still a sizable number.

And last but not least I am not the best person to criticize the Chinese government because my government is similar, minus the corruption and organ harvesting of course.

Great places , draconian law in Singapore.
Hong Kong is free as fuck.
You can even buy porn magazines in Hong Kong, you can't in Singapore.

I remember getting briefings from division/department heads before pulling into port in Singapore, about the laws, and how you could get arrested for something as simple as spitting on the sidewalk. Cleanest city I've ever been in, though. The subway was immaculate (although it was almost brand new in 1989).

This post was edited by Surfpunk on Apr 23 2022 11:05am