Also police now confirmed at least 1 more fatality, body found in a car at 17th and Bryant north after shots fired were reported last night during the rioting,
In addition, there's an eyewitness who has been reported at the looting of a liquor store insisting that he saw one of the looters get stuck in the basement and blocked in as it burned down. Seems unlikely he's making up the story- but won't be confirmed until they start clearing the rubble- so that would be at least 3 deaths minimum so far in the rioting.
/e "MFD checking burned out buildings for “bodies” per scanner audio so far nothing found."

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 29 2020 09:42am

if you're interested in a bit of reading: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/gsmfc9/why_the_cops_havent_been_charged_yet/

It's still a horrible thing. A crime was clearly committed. The officers were notified when Floyd lost consciousness, and the guy continued applying pressure to his neck. That would be attempting murder, as the only reason to do so is to cause braindeath. An unconscious person is not a danger to anyone. Regardless of anything the shoulder cams show, regardless of whether the knee on the neck was warranted at all, regardless of any other factors, once Floyd lost consciousness, continuing to restrict the airways is willfully attempting murder.

Now, wanting to "get it right" on the case should have absolutely ZERO bearing on whether or not he's arrested. You don't arrest people when they commit a crime because you have a case against them. You arrest them when they commit the crime to prevent them from committing another crime, AND to prevent any revenge crimes against them. Specifically, this is WHY police don't wait to arrest people until having confirmation of a prosecutor having a case. If a person's arrested and they're either innocent, or the prosecutor is unwilling to bring a case, then the person is released, "no harm no foul" so to speak.

So honestly, that post includes nothing but petty excuses.

What was George Floyd's cause of death?

If you can't answer that, you can't charge anyone with his murder.

The post contains a description of the current system.



If you're saying that the system should be changed to avoid this problem, then I could be persuaded to agree with you, depending on what new system you are suggesting. Right now, the cops are part of the system. When they don't cooperate (as the MNPD is not) then it creates delays.

Still have to wait for that to come out to confirm it

But likely loss of blood flow to the brain causing unconsciousness and then the further applied pressure caused brain damage which cause a cardiac arrest

We don't know. And you can charge anyone with anything. Proving it in court is a different matter. However, there's video evidence that he continued to restrict airflow after Floyd lost consciousness, and he knowingly did so. That's enough to make the arrest for attempted murder, by itself. Specific charges and such can wait.

If he had been arrested prematurely (to stop the riots) then got off on a technicality (because the government used common sense instead of rigidly adhering to the current law) then the outcome would be even worse.

The rioters would then accuse the government of throwing the case so that the guy walked free. And those rioters would have a good point because every lawyer in the world would be saying how bad of an idea it was for him to be arrested so quickly.

If we're going to throw due process out the window and forget about civil rights and proper trials, we could just lynch whoever the mob doesn't like, all it takes is a length of rope.
If we want to actually have law and order, a video of Floyd being arrested and dying after an unknown medical event is not enough to support prosecution on its own, and absolutely requires a medical examiner's report.

Is it really unknown tho?