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Apr 23 2022 06:46am
Quote (dro94 @ 23 Apr 2022 20:40)
Oh it will. China is India's biggest threat, in the long term they'd be wise to ally with the West



Yes in a way, but that is your opinion in the West. The last time the Chinese and Indian fought it was a border conflict with sticks and stones.
On the other hand , perhaps you undermined the Indians in a way.
China never colonized India.
In the past 300 years Britain took away as much as 42 Trillion sterling from the Indians.
The pricey jewel on Queen Elizabeth's crown reminds the Indian of their very very sad past.

Maybe you should check out Boris Johnson's recent visit to India and look at how Indians think.
Was China a threat to India? Yes they are no doubt , but the opinions have shifted for the Past month or so after USA threaten India with Sanctions and of course question their human rights issue in a joint press conference in the US.
China, as much as Indians hate and despise them, have become a little more tolerable.
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Apr 23 2022 06:51am
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 23 2022 08:40am)
Oh it will. China is India's biggest threat, in the long term they'd be wise to ally with the West



If we don't give Ukraine weapons, then Russia will occupy and brutalise a country for years to come. Is that what you want?

Ukraine has a very real chance of kicking the Russians out of their territory, it will be an attritional war with heavy casualties on both sides but it's the only real option we have


India's counterbalance in the region is Russia not the west thousands of miles away. That's where they get most of their weapons from currently.

Ukraine does not have any real chance of pushing Russia back, not from the Donbas at least. In your assessment have you considered the fact that if Russia really starts losing the war they'll just deploy tactical nukes? Then what?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 23 2022 06:53am
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 23 Apr 2022 20:51)
India's counterbalance in the region is Russia not the west thousands of miles away. That's where they get most of their weapons from currently.

Ukraine does not have any real chance of pushing Russia back, not from the Donbas at least. In your assessment have you considered the fact that if Russia really starts losing the war they'll just deploy tactical nukes? Then what?


I think dro94 fail to realized that the relationship with Russia and Soviet Union goes back a long a long time.
From the Pakistan/ India War ( Russians were on Indian's side)
From the 1979 Afghan War ( India provided Russians not only military support but political support )
Every time and in most recent 10 15 years, India's dispute with China, Russia came in mediated and a lot of times supported India.
Russia gave transfer of weapon technology to India and allow them to produce , upgrade Russian weapons and sell them.

The US will never allow technology transfer.
The US never stood up for India when China and India were having problems.
The US funded and sided with the Pakistan government during their war.

And now you want India to sanction, condemn their Ally for this current situation.
Well .... good luck...
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Apr 23 2022 07:10am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 23 Apr 2022 12:40)
And a lot of people will agree with me that there is some crazy infrastructure problems in the West.
I am sorry it triggered you.

As a matter of fact even Joe Biden admitted it without thinking twice on national television last week.
But hey, you have your opinions , I have mine. I am staying and working where I am and I am experiencing the my world here so I think I am quite sure of what I am speaking about.
Furthermore the place where I am is a international financial hub , I work in two international financial hub. I get a lot of my information in regards to Europe by my Europe colleagues and partners.
And a lot of information about the USA from my American colleagues and Partners.

But you are welcome to think that I am talking bs.


Someone told you about human rights in China or is it just cognitive dissonance ?

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Apr 23 2022 07:11am
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 23 2022 02:40pm)
Oh it will. China is India's biggest threat, in the long term they'd be wise to ally with the West



If we don't give Ukraine weapons, then Russia will occupy and brutalise a country for years to come. Is that what you want?

Ukraine has a very real chance of kicking the Russians out of their territory, it will be an attritional war with heavy casualties on both sides but it's the only real option we have


i said that they need support, but this cant be the endgame here

well, at least its nice to know that people from a thousand miles away say that a war of attrition with a six figure death toll over possibly multiple years is the only option "we" have

well said from a warm couch in the uk (no offense intended)

how we went from a point where this war could have been prevented to sacrificing thousands of people without a second thought is truly astonishing

ukraine has a chance to force somewhat decent terms at some point with a successful defense, but they will never get their full territory back

at least crimea, luhansk and donezk are gone, they didnt control these regions for 8 years and russia will never give them up under any circumstances

everything else is wishful thinking at the expense of shitloads of people

i hope that ukraine can repulse the current offensive in the east, but then its time for serious talks

unless of course, as i said multiple times, certain people have no problem having tens of thousands more killed just to hurt putin
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 23 Apr 2022 21:10)
Someone told you about human rights in China or is it just cognitive dissonance ?


I work in China as well. what do you want to know.

I work in Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Cambodia and Vietnam. My area of work makes me goes to this country very very often.
I am based in Hong Kong at the moment as well.

So let me know what you want to know about human rights in China.
I will be very very honest.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 23 2022 07:18am
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 23 2022 12:46pm)
Yes in a way, but that is your opinion in the West. The last time the Chinese and Indian fought it was a border conflict with sticks and stones.
On the other hand , perhaps you undermined the Indians in a way.
China never colonized India.
In the past 300 years Britain took away as much as 42 Trillion sterling from the Indians.
The pricey jewel on Queen Elizabeth's crown reminds the Indian of their very very sad past.

Maybe you should check out Boris Johnson's recent visit to India and look at how Indians think.
Was China a threat to India? Yes they are no doubt , but the opinions have shifted for the Past month or so after USA threaten India with Sanctions and of course question their human rights issue in a joint press conference in the US.
China, as much as Indians hate and despise them, have become a little more tolerable.


Do you not find it strangely coincidental how every country the UK colonised then became a functioning democracy with strong ties to the UK, with the exception being Hong Kong which was passed to the Chinese. When China cracked down on the two systems, one country deal they agreed to, the UK opened its doors to hundreds of thousands of Hong Kongers. The same thing happened following the partition of India where millions were taken in

With all due respect, India isn't underdeveloped because of colonisation, in fact there were significant trade benefits for both countries under British rule. We had to partition the country due to sectarian violence, the caste system puts even the British class system to shame in its abhorrence. The same hyperbole is often applied to the slave trade and colonisation of Africa, as if they'd be like the EU otherwise

Anyway, it's not about Boris Johnson, it's about long term strategic alliances. China will be India's biggest rival for decades to come, and Russia is a failing power with a weak economy, so really it's the West or nothing

This post was edited by dro94 on Apr 23 2022 08:30am
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 23 Apr 2022 13:15)
I work in China as well. what do you want to know.

I work in Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Cambodia and Vietnam. My area of work makes me goes to this country very very often.
I am based in Hong Kong at the moment as well.

So let me know what you want to know about human rights in China.
I will be very very honest.


Yes, do you think wikipedia articles are reliable on this subject ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

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Apr 23 2022 08:37am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 23 2022 04:18am)
1/4 of homes in russia do not have toilets.


X for doubt
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Apr 23 2022 08:40am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 23 Apr 2022 14:37)
X for doubt


Russians do selfies in toilets because it's a sign of wealth.

35 million Russians live in houses or apartments without indoor toilets, 47 million do not have hot water, 29 million don’t have any running water inside their residences, and 22 million do not have central heating

https://ehorussia.com/new/node/17679

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 23 2022 08:40am
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