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Sep 4 2021 01:32am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 3 2021 11:34pm)
Not necessarily, since you're already pre-screening people before you even give them the test, and even if you have a negative test a good doctor might reject the negative test if you can rule out other causes with similar symptoms.

It's also unfortunate that false positives can result in more harm than false negatives, but the perception is that false negatives are worse. For instance there's some legitimate concern over breast cancer screenings for women finding false positives and requiring biopsies, or identifying masses that will never metastasize and resulting in treatment. Over-diagnosis is an often overlooked problem that causes real issues. Over-treatment as well since you get money for treating things. Although that tends to be a problem in places like nursing homes and places that can easily bill medicare/medicaid and have patients who won't easily object.


"over treating" the hell out of something that has a 99.9 something survival rate dont you think?
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"over treating" the hell out of something that has a 99.9 something survival rate dont you think?


If we let the medical facilities get overwhelmed it goes up to at least 2% deaths from Covid, and many more deaths from basically everything that would require ICU treatment during that time period.

So no, not by a long shot, especially when the vaccine risk is less than 1% the risk from Covid. It's not even treatment, it's prevention.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 4 2021 01:40am
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If we let the medical facilities get overwhelmed it goes up to at least 2% deaths from Covid, and many more deaths from basically everything that would require ICU treatment during that time period.

So no, not by a long shot.


subjective reasoning dont cut it with me you should know that by now.
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Sep 4 2021 01:44am
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subjective reasoning dont cut it with me you should know that by now.


Guess I can add subjective to the long list of words you don't know the meaning of.
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Sep 4 2021 01:50am
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Guess I can add subjective to the long list of words you don't know the meaning of.


you can subjectively add what ever your imagination desires.

i wonder what they are going to name the next varient and what the booga wooga story will be?

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Sep 4 2021 02:15am
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Not necessarily, since you're already pre-screening people before you even give them the test, and even if you have a negative test a good doctor might reject the negative test if you can rule out other causes with similar symptoms.

It's also unfortunate that false positives can result in more harm than false negatives, but the perception is that false negatives are worse. For instance there's some legitimate concern over breast cancer screenings for women finding false positives and requiring biopsies, or identifying masses that will never metastasize and resulting in treatment. Over-diagnosis is an often overlooked problem that causes real issues. Over-treatment as well since you get money for treating things. Although that tends to be a problem in places like nursing homes and places that can easily bill medicare/medicaid and have patients who won't easily object.


I was thinking about tests for infectious diseases, covid, hiv and stuff like that. But even when it comes to cancer, a false negative will in most cases have worse consequences than a false positive. Get a false negative and chances are the damn thing is already metastasized by the time the mistake is finally realized.

So while situations exist in which false positives cause as much or even more harm than false negatives, that's not the norm. It really depends on what you're trying to achieve with a diagnostic test, screening or confirmation.



In the specific case of covid tests, there is NO pre-screening whenever a group has to be tested regularly independent from potential symptoms, which is what most countries do in their schools, nursing homes and some other workplaces. Or when tests are required for an unvaccinated person to gain access to a venue, say a stadium or indoor dining. In these cases, a false negative can have consequences magnitudes worse than a false positive (triggering a chain of infection which can be hundreds of cases strong by the time it's detected versus sending a single person into quarantine for 2-10 days).
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Sep 4 2021 02:55am
Quote (TiStuff @ Sep 4 2021 12:50am)
you can subjectively add what ever your imagination desires.


Hospitals are EMF kill grids. very little productivity happens, most of their elaborate tests are heavy metal poisoning and more specific forms of radiation.
In the rare case(s) a person's limbs may be sewn back up(car accidents, etc) which has a reasonable function for doctors, nurses, etc
But, mostly everything else is salt poisoning, pain killer voodoo, and irradiating people to death all in the name of "care".
So to a larger extent truthers or the "woke" have no business going there. The unvax'd being discriminated against is mostly good w/ the exception of the situation(s) listed above.
If they had really good food options it would make much more sense but thats far from so really there's nothing tangibly they're providing that could remotely offset the destructive nature of these facilities, it's about harvesting blood in the name of "testing".

You trust in Jesus and your own health for the most part. Live by the breath & word.

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Sep 4 2021 03:56am
good to know

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Sep 4 2021 07:07am
now the people waiting for their booster shots can get a covid pill as well

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-treatment-pill-administered-in-new-pfizer-clinical-trial-12396759

have fun being a big pharma dumpster
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now the people waiting for their booster shots can get a covid pill as well

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-treatment-pill-administered-in-new-pfizer-clinical-trial-12396759

have fun being a big pharma dumpster


"Patients will receive the treatment or a placebo orally every 12 hours for five days."
imagine agreeing to this LOL
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