Would you be happy to be gobbled by Russia ? Answer to me please.


/e btw:



The conversation was about Ukraine’s NATO prospects. When the journalist asked the expert whether the Donbass war could be ended if Ukraine was granted MAP (Membership Action Plan) status, he said that this would most likely push Russia towards a major military operation against Ukraine. “Because they will blow us away infrastructural and have to turn everything here into a ruin.” He stated:

“They (the Russians) should do it before we join NATO, so that we don’t become interesting for NATO. More precisely, not interesting as a destroyed area. There is a 99.9 percent probability that our price for joining to NATO is a big war with Russia. And if we don’t join NATO, Russia will take us within 10 to 12 years.”

When asked which variant was better, Arestovich had no doubts: “Of course a big war with Russia and as a result joining NATO on the basis of defeating Russia.” He detailed what a “great war” with Russia meant:

“It’s an air offensive, an invasion of the Russian armies deployed on our borders, a siege of Kiev, an attempt to encircle the troops of the Donbass operation, a breakthrough through the Isthmus of Crimea, gaining access to the Kakhovskoye reservoir to supply Crimea with water, an offensive from the territory of Belarus, the creation of new people’s republics, an airborne landing, acts of sabotage against critical infrastructure, etc. This is a full-fledged war. And the probability of this is 99 percent.”




This is again a pick on a circular causality:


A. Russia does not accept independant Ukraine and increase the threat (corruption, proxy, then full war)
B. Ukraine tries to protect itself, protests, tries to get allies like Nato => Goto A.


So at any time in last 20 years you can pickup something in B saying it's their fault, they are responsible for the war.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 23 2022 05:12am

dro's 5 point plan to lasting peace in Europe:

1) Admit Sweden and Finland to NATO ASAP
2) Flood Ukraine with weapons so they're armed to the teeth
3) Sort out long term funding for Ukraine generally, covered by frozen Russian reserves and IMF/World Bank loans
4) Have a strongly worded chat with Moldova about why they aren't asking to join NATO
5) Pressure India to buy weapons from any other country than Russia, who can't even fulfill their outstanding orders under sanctions anyway. When this is done, there will be no incentive for India to be neutral anymore

can anyone verify that the guy being interviewed is the person he is purported to be ? i guess we need that before we give that interview further oxygen.

I would rather risk the possibility of being gobbled up then the surety of going to war.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 23 2022 05:20am

1 to 4 no comment, not going to talk about those subject which I am not familiar with.

5) Not going to happen, India will not bow down to Western pressure anymore.

It's not a Risk x Possibility... It's a certainty, the problem is always the same: you have no other choice than chosing a side.

I can assure you apart from Singapore ( My Country), Taiwan, Japan South Korea (barely)
East Asia and South Asia will not pick sides.

Once you pick sides, you are ushering in a new era of Cold War.

It's a simple choice: Like some kind of blue or red pill:

- No war with the East but your country identity will slowly disapear, your rights are reduced to peanuts and if you open your mouth you go in jail or worse. Your taxes are paying Yatchs to your rulers who are bllionaires in charge for life.
- War with support of the West: ending in democracy like in EU where you can shit on a picture of your president on the street, while drinking a bottle of good wine. Your taxes are not perfectly used but it's much better than the horror above.

the only certainty in life is death and taxes.

the fact that russia let ukraine be quasi independant refutes your comment re: certainty.

when was the last time that a conflict was solved by more weapons?

at this point the argument you make just proves that the current war is just another proxy war

the geopolitical strategists in washington are laughing their asses off right now, because they can weaken russia immensely at the expense of the ukranian people

and the military industrial complex has some work as well, how splendid, win win

ukraine needs help, but also a perspective

btw, india is kinda too big to get bullied anymore, they have a very good relationship with russia

I am in the East and I am drinking very good wine. Couldn't afford crazy Burgundys but I am quite comfortable paying for Bordeaux First and Second Growth.
We don't really need to open our mouth too much because we are not suffering crazy infrastructure or health care problems like some countries in the West.
We have good social mobility, decent housing. Yes every now and then there are problems but it get solved pretty quickly.

There is no democracy in the West per say. The only time you have democracy is when you toe America's line.
We have seen it recently what happened in India, Serbia and now USA is threatening the Solomon Island because they are not toeing USA line.
As a matter of fact, in 2018 USA started to provide funds for a change of a democratically elected government in Solomon island.