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and least vaccinated + masked.


Looks like Afghanistan is a safe haven for antivaxxers - hopefully the Taliban embraces you with open arms in the foreseeable future!
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Quote (lodd222 @ 1 Sep 2021 23:03)
and least vaccinated + masked.


and least tested.
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Okay, the following might be really stupid, but a thought just crossed my mind:

if masking is super effective at stopping the spread of covid, shouldn't the covid rates among women be significantly lower than among men in countries where women wear a burka? :unsure: :unsure:

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 1 2021 08:33pm)
Okay, the following might be really stupid, but a thought just crossed my mind:

if masking is super effective at stopping the spread of covid, shouldn't the covid rates among women be significantly lower than among men in countries where women wear a burka? :unsure: :unsure:


well? the bull chit narrative is the mask doest protect the wearer its protection for other people. so with that in mind?.....................

one can see early on how the narrative will be played out. forever blaming the one that wont fall for or be bullied into the bullchit.

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Looks like Afghanistan is a safe haven for antivaxxers - hopefully the Taliban embraces you with open arms in the foreseeable future!


biden has armed the taliban and now he is importing them. they are going to love you

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 1 2021 11:33pm)
Okay, the following might be really stupid, but a thought just crossed my mind:

if masking is super effective at stopping the spread of covid, shouldn't the covid rates among women be significantly lower than among men in countries where women wear a burka? :unsure: :unsure:


looks like someone else thought of this already
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/19/fact-check-burqas-and-niqabs-not-comparable-face-masks/5408236002/
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Almost nothing in this article actually refutes my theory. They didn't look at male vs female infection rates in the countries, not did they look at other countries where burka wearing is more common, they did not differentiate between the source control and the wearer protection effect ascribed to masks.

The only cogent argument they brought up is that burkas are perhaps not as tight-fitting as face masks. They presumably dont do much against aerosols, but should nonetheless stop droplets. So if the wearer protection against droplet infection by masks was significant, burkas should have a similar effect and this should be reflected in the data.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 1 2021 11:37pm)
Almost nothing in this article actually refutes my theory. They didn't look at male vs female infection rates in the countries, not did they look at other countries where burka wearing is more common, they did not differentiate between the source control and the wearer protection effect ascribed to masks.

The only cogent argument they brought up is that burkas are perhaps not as tight-fitting as face masks. They presumably dont do much against aerosols, but should nonetheless stop droplets. So if the wearer protection against droplet infection by masks was significant, burkas should have a similar effect and this should be reflected in the data.


You didn't propose a theory. You proposed a hypothesis. Now go look for data that tests it.

Theories are explanations. Hypothesis are predictions.

Theory: face coverings work to prevent spread.
Hypothesis: burkas will result in lower female infection where they are widely used.

An issue i can immediately think of though is that masking and covering primarily limits spread out and is less effective as preventing things from coming in, so the hypothesis wouldn't necessarily follow from the theory. There are likely going to be more important variables to control for that would be really difficult to fix.


And now that im googling it I'm realizing every lay source except a few defines them interchangeably. This makes me sad.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 1 2021 10:43pm
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 2 Sep 2021 06:40)
You didn't propose a theory. You proposed a hypothesis. Now go look for data that tests it.

Theories are explanations. Hypothesis are predictions.

Theory: face coverings work to prevent spread.
Hypothesis: burkas will result in lower female infection where they are widely used.

An issue i can immediately think of though is that masking and covering primarily limits spread out and is less effective as preventing things from coming in, so the hypothesis wouldn't necessarily follow from the theory. There are likely going to be more important variables to control for that would be really difficult to fix.


And now that im googling it I'm realizing every lay source except a few defines them interchangeably. This makes me sad.

You're right, I was offering a hypothesis, not a theory. I shouldn't be so sloppy with my choice of words.

On the actual issue: the men in these countries are not wearing a face covering similar to burkas, so there should be plenty of virus flying around, even if burkas do a good job at limiting spread by the women. So like I said, this burka effect - if it exists - would tell us something about the degree of wearer protection more so than about source control. But you're probably right that there's too many confounders. One aspect I hadn't thought about is the number of social contacts. In free, western societies, we're implicitly assuming that, at least on average, men and women have a comparable number of social contacts over the day - but this is definitely not the case in societies with a high rate of niqab or burka wearing.

So I guess it's a completely hopeless endeavor to try to get the data necessary to test my hypothesis out of countries like Afghanistan, Sudan or even just Saudi Arabia.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 2 2021 12:37am)
Almost nothing in this article actually refutes my theory. They didn't look at male vs female infection rates in the countries, not did they look at other countries where burka wearing is more common, they did not differentiate between the source control and the wearer protection effect ascribed to masks.

The only cogent argument they brought up is that burkas are perhaps not as tight-fitting as face masks. They presumably dont do much against aerosols, but should nonetheless stop droplets. So if the wearer protection against droplet infection by masks was significant, burkas should have a similar effect and this should be reflected in the data.


I didnt say one way or the other, its just one old article i found that i thought you might find interesting
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