Quote (Handcuffs @ 10 Sep 2021 13:09)
What do you make of the disparity between the vaccinated and unvaccinated regarding acute Covid illness and hospitalization rates?
I'm unclear whether it's related to the discussion at hand. I've seen no data regarding any surge of breakthrough case hospitalizations. Meaning those with natural immunity have not been being hospitalized in any significant numbers, nor have those who've been vaccinated been hospitalized in significantly relevant numbers.
If anything, I'd say everyone should be celebrating the fact that the overwhelming majority of hospitalizations are from the unvaccinated. That means the vaccines work. That was the entire point of the vaccines, wasn't it?
However, that says absolutely nothing regarding those who'd previously caught the virus. Perhaps if data comes out showing a statistically significant number of "natural immunity breakthrough cases" I will revise my opinion. For now, that doesn't matter, and isn't relevant.
I'll also point out that hospitalization data hasn't changed. Those being hospitalized with severe symptoms are still by and large obese, elderly, have preexisting heart or respiratory diseases, etc. AKA, these are the very at-risk group whom I believe SHOULD be encouraged to get the vaccine.
Quote (net @ 10 Sep 2021 13:12)
The fake vaccinations seem to be helping reduce hospitalization rates, but it shouldn't be mandated for people to get vaccinated, period. If someone doesn't trust these rushed ass vaccines and wants to put their own body at risk, hats off to them. Vaccinated or unvaccinated, people are still carriers and can spread it lol. What the CDC fails to tell everyone is that vaccinated still get infected and still spread the virus. Instead, the narrative used is that someone is SELFISH or INSENSITIVE for not being vaccinated--assuming that the vaccines somehow lower transmission rates. I'm disgusted with our government and the CDC. They're using these fake, rushed vaccines as a way to divide us, just like BLM.
This is one post I certainly can't support. "Fake Vaccinations"? Gonna have to clarify there, bud. I can certainly see cases for vaccines being used as a tool for authoritarian power grabs, but where's the "fake" come from?
Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Sep 2021 13:19)
im not attempting to demand data. ive been arguing the data you posted for several days now.
straight from the CDC, the vaccine helps prevent spread, helps prevent severe illness. it is effective at preventing you from getting covid as compared to unvaccinated people without antibodies. its all clear as day.
and yet you keep speaking as if the fact that it's not 100% effective, and the fact that asymptomatic people can still spread the virus are Trump cards to these very clear generalities. usually overstepping by telling me what i do and don't know in the process. just as above where u tell me ive argued to violate body autonomy, when in fact ive argued for days now that your body autonomy isnt being violated, not that its violation is acceptable. you've attempted several times to twist my words into meaning that to you, and yet i am still fine with you not getting vaccinated and against Biden's employer mandate. and yet you'll try to find a way to pretend these arent true, and that i am just here to argue, when ive offered several olive branches that you stuck up where the sun doesnt shine and called me a rapist.
dont get vaxxed, i dont care. lose your job, i dont care. starve with lack of access to food, i still dont care. get your grandma sick, i dont care. get ostracized from your family for it, i dont care. i do not care about you or your life bobb, not even a tiny bit. i read your posts and i correct what is factually inaccurate, even if i agree with your conclusions and stances. because even though i agree with some of what u say i nearly always disagree with how you got there and i dont care at all how that makes you feel or what impact it does or doesnt have on your life.
You can't read, can you, or you hate facts? The virus is called SARS-CoV-2. "Covid-19" is a symptom-based disease that people experience from the virus. Do you understand the difference? Now, that quote says, directly, "COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19" which clearly states that it REDUCES, does not PREVENT. Full stop. Now, there's no evidence or data that indicates that it reduces rather than prevents, but if it does only reduce rather than prevent, there's no data regarding how much, or how much vs natural immunity.
Are you done, or are you so bored that you just wish to continue looking stupid?
This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 10 2021 02:23pm
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