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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 1 2021 03:54pm)
The bolded claim isnt true in Israel, where the vaccine protection waned among the high-risk groups (mostly the elderly, they were ofc vaccinated before the younger folks) just as delta arrived, leading to a surge in covid deaths in spite of their high vaccine uptake among the adult population.* It was always foolish to communicate "if you are vaccinated, you are totally safe" before we had any data or experience with the duration of the vaccine effect. That the protection would wane eventually was always expected by the experts. As far back as December 2020, the vaccine producers were predicting that boosters would be needed after around 6-12 months.

So the bottom line is that Biden's CDC director ignored the science so that she could put out a nice, simple "mission accomplished" speech. Even without the emergence of Delta, her message was overly optimistic/left out an absolutely crucial caveat. She should have known better and deserves the flak she's getting.






*Don't get fooled by the 60% fully vaccinated number for Israel - their population has a very high share of children. A 60% full vacccination rate in Israel is equivalent to at least a 70% rate in the US or Europe.


well Ontario is 76% 2 dose for 12+ and getting 600+ cases again with 300+ in icu aka they could lock us down again with them numbers they did with wave 1-3 :rolleyes:
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Quote (GarryGarry @ Sep 1 2021 04:32pm)
well Ontario is 76% 2 dose for 12+ and getting 600+ cases again with 300+ in icu aka they could lock us down again with them numbers they did with wave 1-3 :rolleyes:


Why lie?

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
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Opinion? How much of this VAX resistance is based on the Trump cult resistance?
Personally I think its 85%+\-
And the country would be so much farther in the virus battle.
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Opinion? How much of this VAX resistance is based on the Trump cult resistance?
Personally I think its 85%+\-
And the country would be so much farther in the virus battle.


trump is pro jab. anyone get the "vax" is a trumptard
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cuz i wanna work for government duh
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trump is pro jab. anyone get the "vax" is a trumptard



that's a good point, about time some one generalized the liberals into the trump class given they are both PYRO VAxxinaters, luciferase included ;)
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Quote (TiStuff @ Sep 1 2021 05:11pm)
trump is pro jab. anyone get the "vax" is a trumptard



Sorry you don’t live in reality
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Quote (theCrossbones @ 2 Sep 2021 02:00)
Opinion? How much of this VAX resistance is based on the Trump cult resistance?
Personally I think its 85%+\-
And the country would be so much farther in the virus battle.


Nah, not nearly. In many European countries, for example France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands or Austria, the vaccination campaigns really stalled once the rate approached about 60%. France and Italy have gotten it going again by imposing pretty strict rules which make a vaccination almost mandatory to participate in social life. Even in the UK, the rate is currently only about 63% and going up very slowly.


So I would say across Europe, the share of inoculation-willing people ranges from 60ish to 70ish percent of the population. In the US, the rate stalled at around 50%. So Trump's covid rhetoric plus the higher share of religious nutjobs in your country (compared with Europe) seems to make a difference of about 10% in terms of the vaccination rate. So Trump is to blame for perhaps 8 percentage points of a gap in the vax rate.


The area in which he bears much greater responsibility is masks and taking covid seriously in the first place. That he politicized the issue is his biggest sin surrounding covid. In this regard, he of course had a huge effect - much bigger than his contribution to the disappointing vaccine uptake if you ask me.
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Sep 1 2021 06:52pm
Y the 10% or 15% difference is probably very noticeable after few months. Following their models 55% vs 70%.

Here in France the vaccination boost with Macron mandatory pass is very good and we are on our way for 70% at least (66% full and 72% at least one yet)
Source : https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/infographies-covid-19-morts-hospitalisations-age-malades-l-evolution-de-l-epidemie-en-france-et-dans-le-monde-en-cartes-et-graphiques.html

On the other hand the pass is supposed to no longer be mandatory in November, only if no more new sad variant appears.
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