https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-vaccine-passport-certificate-proof-1.6160728

passport coming to Ontario on the 22nd of this month for
gyms bars clubs restaurants yet big stores like walmart and costco won't need it what a bloody fucking shocker places where can fight this bs

This post was edited by GarryGarry on Sep 1 2021 01:01pm

in ireland you need passport for same things already.
however with a covid passport you can enter all of these premises, but you still can't be present on a child birth as baby's father

wtf for real??? ya fuck that... my ass would be there they like it or not...

yeah, it wouldn't.
it's considered breaching health and safety protocols and you can be arrested and prosecuted for endangering people.
even with vaccine, negative test and a mask.

but you can go to a pub

This highlights why it's so important for policy experts to remain neutral and pay attention to the level of surety they're attaching to public communication. It's as simple as moderating your claim by attaching "From what we know right now...". No, it's not going to be quite as convincing, but it protects against the inevitable damage to your credibility and reputation when one of your claims inevitably turns up false.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Sep 1 2021 01:39pm

like fauci and everything he said so far that turned out to be bs?

"You are safe" and "worsening infections among the vaccinated" isn't necessarily contradictory though, since the vaccines were protecting against pretty damn close to 100% of the serious complications. A case of"worsening infections" could just mean the protection went from 95% to 90%, or that symptoms got more severe but not more dangerous, or any number of things

When I googled "Covid19 breakthrough infection" I got this article

https://www.startribune.com/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-accelerate-in-minnesota/600092238/

Which pretty clearly outlines that in Minnesota at least the breakthrough rates aren't concerning.



This is a case of cherry picking to reduce credibility, not a case of actual loss of credibility.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 1 2021 01:41pm

No, but this is part of the problem. Everything Fauci has said hasn't turned out to be BS, but the fact that he was very sure on a few things which turned out to be incorrect has opened him up to criticism and attack.

The bolded claim isnt true in Israel, where the vaccine protection waned among the high-risk groups (mostly the elderly, they were ofc vaccinated before the younger folks) just as delta arrived, leading to a surge in covid deaths in spite of their high vaccine uptake among the adult population.* It was always foolish to communicate "if you are vaccinated, you are totally safe" before we had any data or experience with the duration of the vaccine effect. That the protection would wane eventually was always expected by the experts. As far back as December 2020, the vaccine producers were predicting that boosters would be needed after around 6-12 months.

So the bottom line is that Biden's CDC director ignored the science so that she could put out a nice, simple "mission accomplished" speech. Even without the emergence of Delta, her message was overly optimistic/left out an absolutely crucial caveat. She should have known better and deserves the flak she's getting.






*Don't get fooled by the 60% fully vaccinated number for Israel - their population has a very high share of children. A 60% full vacccination rate in Israel is equivalent to at least a 70% rate in the US or Europe.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 1 2021 01:56pm