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Apr 22 2022 10:43am
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 22 2022 06:20pm)
Yanukovych was elected in a legitimate election, with nobody in the east or west claiming otherwise. He was prior the governor of Donetsk, the most populous oblast, and like the people he represented he was more euroskeptic. It was both the will of the people who elected him, and in his own country's rational self interest, to reject the EU association agreement. It was a simple fact that the EU was less interested in Ukraine than Russia was, and Russia was in the process of creating economic leverage over the EU that circumvented Ukraine's leverage. Anyone could foresee the outcome- which is what we're living right now. The minority then overthrew the government elected by the majority and split the country in half.

There's nothing democratic about losing an election and losing on policy issues you care about, then deciding to overthrow the government in a coup so you can force your will upon the people you try to suppress with violence. That's the opposite of democracy.

And Nazis in Ukraine are so well represented in the military that they make up most of the reports of forces engaged with Russia right now. Just watching the Ukrainian side's propaganda is a stream of Nazis. Its not Russia making them slap SS symbols on everything. Russia didn't elect Nazis to local Ukrainian governments, but the Ukrainian right-wing nationalists did. There is no Nazi representation in the US military or government, there aren't any elected officials goosestepping under swastikas and active participation in a neo-nazi group is grounds for administration discharge from the armed forces. We don't tolerate them. Ukraine doesn't just tolerate them, they are at the front lines, being cheered on by Ukraine and armed by the US.

So again, how is anyone supposed to believe that the people who overthrew a legitimate democracy, banned the opposition, seized control of the media, are nazis and nazi affiliates- are representing truth justice and the american way?

Legitly rigged election? Just like Lukashenko in Belarus?
Overthrowing him wasn't the problem. Treating Ukraine as extended Nato member, arming and financing nazi rigjtwing extremist groups were the wrong part.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 22 2022 10:46am
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 22 2022 10:55am)
You take every piece of bile spewed by the Nazi-aligned media as fact everytime. I think I'm allowed to do the same with non-Nazi aligned sources, thanks


You mean all those different media sources that are supposedly run by Jews Inc™?

Well at least they adhere to journalistic standards. I mean, I know they're horrible at editorialization, but at least they check facts.
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Apr 22 2022 10:47am
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 22 2022 11:33am)
Why was Yanukovych overthrown?


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Quote (Santara @ Apr 22 2022 10:44am)
You mean all those different media sources that are supposedly run by Jews Inc™?

Well at least they adhere to journalistic standards. I mean, I know they're horrible at editorialization, but at least they check facts.


A libertarian who brings up jews when the mainstream media is criticized.

And who subscribes to their so-called "fact checking"

And I thought I'd seen it all
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Apr 22 2022 11:04am
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 22 2022 12:47pm)


Yeah that is kind of my analysis of the situation as well. Every election has been geographically split like that.

I've been following Ukrainian politics since the Orange Revolution and the rise of uber fox Yulia Tymoshenko. The plotline has really paid off. I didn't realize it was leading up to a third world war when I started paying attention.
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Apr 22 2022 11:08am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 22 2022 11:51am)
A libertarian who brings up jews when the mainstream media is criticized.

And who subscribes to their so-called "fact checking"

And I thought I'd seen it all


I said "supposedly" for a reason. I don't buy that shit, but I suspect a lot of people supporting you here do.

Did Scott Ritter check any facts? Naw. Bro fucking whipped out his industrial sized Leap to Conclusions Mat™ and went to town.
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Apr 22 2022 11:29am
Quote (Ognadibik @ Apr 22 2022 05:11pm)
I am not native english, i mean the citizens of the given country, not sure how else it could be understood


not convinced its the citizens that need to fight and die to change their government. it would be better if the army, or opposition party did it. yes i know this is not common, but then the civilian population rising up and changing their government is also rare.

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Apr 22 2022 11:35am
Zelensky => 73+ %

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Apr 22 2022 11:49am
China suspended UnionPay cards negociations with Russia

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/visa-mastercard-already-cut-ties-101719885.html

Not sure of the impact...
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