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Apr 22 2022 09:38am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Apr 22 2022 10:37am)
total dehumanization, thus you nazis of today are much worse than even your ancestors from germany


What the fuck ever, fascist.
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Apr 22 2022 09:38am
Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Apr 2022 17:24)
Yeah you can't get much more democratic than overthrowing the lawfully, freely and fairly elected government and then installing an autocratic regime featuring nazis that outlaws the opposition and seizes control of the media. On a related note, Saddam Hussein was re-elected in 2002 with the highest recorded referendum victory of 100.00% in a 11,445,638 - 0 election for his next seven year term.

I still can't get over the absolutely absurd whiplash of this entire debacle coming within 4 years of screaming that everyone the neoliberals don't like is a Nazi and the same year as screaming about insurrectionists
At least after 9/11 I understood the chuds, the paranoia and jingoism and vengeance all made sense. Right now its like a clown fiesta


I am talking about legitimate elections, you know the thing they have in most of eu. Not saddam hussien, wouldnt even call that an election.

If the goverment (even a lawfully elected one) doesnt represent the will of the ppl - which was the case - then its the ppl responsibility, and also obligation to overthrow it, which they did. Very proud of them. Even if they did it with some US support.

Nazis in ukranie are some parts of the right wing minded millitary without any political power. And they are tolerated and too useful to get rid of. Not sure why you ate up the russian propaganda and worry about it this much, you literally have more nazis in the US.
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Apr 22 2022 09:39am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 22 2022 09:37am)
Turns out Scott Ritter is a trash source too.

He's not "being held," he was picked up and released.


We've watched these guys kill way too many people. Forgive us if we assumed he was dead.
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Apr 22 2022 09:42am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 22 2022 10:39am)
We've watched these guys kill way too many people. Forgive us if we assumed he was dead.


It's all you ever do.
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Apr 22 2022 09:48am
Quote (Ognadibik @ Apr 22 2022 03:59pm)
Half of your post is flat out incorrect, could be that you are missing a lot of lexical knowledge on the subject.

It was not representing the will of the ukranian society, thats literally the point. Thats why the ppl overthrew it and elected a democratic leader instead of a russian puppet. Cant get much more democratic than that.
Zelensky was elected with the highest percentage of votes ever, that high is unprecedented in ukranian history, but even considering the whole eu its extremly rare.
And they didnt kill anyone, they just removed some russian paid fake news media as they should.


agree with this.

I was going to expand but then i saw this:

Quote (Ognadibik @ Apr 22 2022 04:38pm)
I am talking about legitimate elections, you know the thing they have in most of eu. Not saddam hussien, wouldnt even call that an election.

If the goverment (even a lawfully elected one) doesnt represent the will of the ppl - which was the case - then its the ppl responsibility, and also obligation to overthrow it, which they did. Very proud of them. Even if they did it with some US support.


which i also agree with.

The only word I am unsure of is "ppl" but i am not going to argue semantics when i agree with the overall sentiment.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 22 2022 09:53am
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Quote (Santara @ Apr 22 2022 09:42am)
It's all you ever do.


You take every piece of bile spewed by the Nazi-aligned media as fact everytime. I think I'm allowed to do the same with non-Nazi aligned sources, thanks

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Apr 22 2022 09:55am
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Apr 22 2022 10:11am
Quote (ferdia @ 22 Apr 2022 17:48)
agree with this.

I was going to expand but then i saw this:



which i also agree with.

The only word I am unsure of is "ppl" but i am not going to argue semantics when i agree with the overall sentiment.


I am not native english, i mean the citizens of the given country, not sure how else it could be understood
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Apr 22 2022 10:20am
Quote (Ognadibik @ Apr 22 2022 10:38am)
I am talking about legitimate elections, you know the thing they have in most of eu. Not saddam hussien, wouldnt even call that an election.

If the goverment (even a lawfully elected one) doesnt represent the will of the ppl - which was the case - then its the ppl responsibility, and also obligation to overthrow it, which they did. Very proud of them. Even if they did it with some US support.

Nazis in ukranie are some parts of the right wing minded millitary without any political power. And they are tolerated and too useful to get rid of. Not sure why you ate up the russian propaganda and worry about it this much, you literally have more nazis in the US.


Yanukovych was elected in a legitimate election, with nobody in the east or west claiming otherwise. He was prior the governor of Donetsk, the most populous oblast, and like the people he represented he was more euroskeptic. It was both the will of the people who elected him, and in his own country's rational self interest, to reject the EU association agreement. It was a simple fact that the EU was less interested in Ukraine than Russia was, and Russia was in the process of creating economic leverage over the EU that circumvented Ukraine's leverage. Anyone could foresee the outcome- which is what we're living right now. The minority then overthrew the government elected by the majority and split the country in half.

There's nothing democratic about losing an election and losing on policy issues you care about, then deciding to overthrow the government in a coup so you can force your will upon the people you try to suppress with violence. That's the opposite of democracy.

And Nazis in Ukraine are so well represented in the military that they make up most of the reports of forces engaged with Russia right now. Just watching the Ukrainian side's propaganda is a stream of Nazis. Its not Russia making them slap SS symbols on everything. Russia didn't elect Nazis to local Ukrainian governments, but the Ukrainian right-wing nationalists did. There is no Nazi representation in the US military or government, there aren't any elected officials goosestepping under swastikas and active participation in a neo-nazi group is grounds for administration discharge from the armed forces. We don't tolerate them. Ukraine doesn't just tolerate them, they are at the front lines, being cheered on by Ukraine and armed by the US.

So again, how is anyone supposed to believe that the people who overthrew a legitimate democracy, banned the opposition, seized control of the media, are nazis and nazi affiliates- are representing truth justice and the american way?
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Apr 22 2022 10:28am
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/dollar-vs-yuan-israel-central-bank-chinese-currency-holdings-reserves-2022-4

Israel is slashing 9% of its US dollar holdings, dumping them for a combination of Yuan, Canadabucks and Dollarydoos
It's probably nothing, must have been the wind, it's nothing to worry about

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Apr 22 2022 10:33am
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 22 2022 12:20pm)
Yanukovych was elected in a legitimate election, with nobody in the east or west claiming otherwise. He was prior the governor of Donetsk, the most populous oblast, and like the people he represented he was more euroskeptic. It was both the will of the people who elected him, and in his own country's rational self interest, to reject the EU association agreement. It was a simple fact that the EU was less interested in Ukraine than Russia was, and Russia was in the process of creating economic leverage over the EU that circumvented Ukraine's leverage. Anyone could foresee the outcome- which is what we're living right now. The minority then overthrew the government elected by the majority and split the country in half.

There's nothing democratic about losing an election and losing on policy issues you care about, then deciding to overthrow the government in a coup so you can force your will upon the people you try to suppress with violence. That's the opposite of democracy.

And Nazis in Ukraine are so well represented in the military that they make up most of the reports of forces engaged with Russia right now. Just watching the Ukrainian side's propaganda is a stream of Nazis. Its not Russia making them slap SS symbols on everything. Russia didn't elect Nazis to local Ukrainian governments, but the Ukrainian right-wing nationalists did. There is no Nazi representation in the US military or government, there aren't any elected officials goosestepping under swastikas and active participation in a neo-nazi group is grounds for administration discharge from the armed forces. We don't tolerate them. Ukraine doesn't just tolerate them, they are at the front lines, being cheered on by Ukraine and armed by the US.

So again, how is anyone supposed to believe that the people who overthrew a legitimate democracy, banned the opposition, seized control of the media, are nazis and nazi affiliates- are representing truth justice and the american way?


Why was Yanukovych overthrown?
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