Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 22 2022 01:32pm)

Is there a hypothetical world, just in terms of economics, where Germany and France and Italy could have the production to sustain extending their debt-spending socialism across Ukraine? With the benefit of that creeping influence and without an overthrow, making them an offer as a sovereign nation rather than a coup. Even now in the midst of jingoism so demented we're embracing Nazis, the EU is extremely reluctant to embrace Ukraine. The consequence of the Syrian war was Brexit and the EU's long term sustainability being questioned, and the past few years up until Ukraine were the first rumblings of Polexit / Hungexit which were far off due to their economic reliance. But Ukraine had a population higher than those two countries combined, nearly 2/3 of another Germany to support. Try paying health insurance coverage and pensions for all the dirt poor ukrainians in addition to a bunch of ethiopians and syrians. In governments more willing to embrace climate suicide pacts than austerity. Putin broke up that party by sending a bunch of hungry mouths to their doorstep, folding Ukraine into the EU didn't seem realistic

Look now at the UK sending african migrants to Rwanda and taking in half as many refugees from ukraine as ireland did. Now there's a cold dose of reality on Ukraine's future with Europe

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 22 2022 08:32am)

Is there a hypothetical world, just in terms of economics, where Germany and France and Italy could have the production to sustain extending their debt-spending socialism across Ukraine? With the benefit of that creeping influence and without an overthrow, making them an offer as a sovereign nation rather than a coup. Even now in the midst of jingoism so demented we're embracing Nazis, the EU is extremely reluctant to embrace Ukraine. The consequence of the Syrian war was Brexit and the EU's long term sustainability being questioned, and the past few years up until Ukraine were the first rumblings of Polexit / Hungexit which were far off due to their economic reliance. But Ukraine had a population higher than those two countries combined, nearly 2/3 of another Germany to support. Try paying health insurance coverage and pensions for all the dirt poor ukrainians in addition to a bunch of ethiopians and syrians. In governments more willing to embrace climate suicide pacts than austerity. Putin broke up that party by sending a bunch of hungry mouths to their doorstep, folding Ukraine into the EU didn't seem realistic

Look now at the UK sending african migrants to Rwanda and taking in half as many refugees from ukraine as ireland did. Now there's a cold dose of reality on Ukraine's future with Europe

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Apr 22 2022 06:17am)

the madman is alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2yeSOcNlgE

Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 22 2022 12:38am)

Ukraine was not offered a MAP or given a concrete date to join NATO. Resistance was reportedly met from France and Germany.
Why do you give Russia a decision what their neighbours can do, and what they cant? Only because Russia is twice as big as Ukraine and has more money from natural resources?
Of course whatever Russia says is fake and they are only looking for excuses, for example when they get beaten at Kyiv they said "oh, we are nice people, we are going to leave Kyiv as a sign of goodwill".
Something like 2 days before the war they said that they arent going to invade Ukraine.
Never trust a word that Putin or his people says.
Building a new empire isnt madness for Putin. Its very risky, but it can possibly work out, if he can scare western people. You cant really use nukes for offensive actions too much, as nukes are mainly defensive mutual destruction weapons, you need a conventional strength as well to make wars like the one in Ukraine. And for conventional strength you need people, you need factories, Russia doesnt have it currently. It used to have as USSR or "warsaw pact", and it was an empire back then, but doesnt have currently.
And about Hitler, we need to learn from the history so that we dont make same mistakes again over and over. France was very sure that Hitler cannot conquer them. But he did.
You say that invasion isnt possible in age of nukes, but for example, is USA going to start nuke "end of world" war if Russia takes Alaska as they say it was Russian once in the history?
I doubt it.
What if Russia makes some serious propaganda in one of the states in USA, so that some USA people will ask Russia troops to come protect them from "Nazi USA government"?
Are you going to nuke that state and your own people? or start fullscale "end of world" nuke war because of it? I doubt it, it will be again a propaganda and conventional war.
As you see things are not always black and white.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 22 2022 12:38am)

Pooping on your self-inflated ego to make it look beautiful will not help it. Your link proves nothing except that your lack of capacity in understanding the whole picture.
The only things you can do are "they are all the same, so putin isnt that that" and "oh look a nato proposition: this is a declaration of war!"

Putin is trying to grab back territories and influence since 20 years to rebuild the great old soviet union...
Once again, since you are unable to collect and reunite all elements, you fall in some kind of unilateral simplistic thinking.

Quote (ferdia @ 22 Apr 2022 14:52)

Just to clarify the consequences of the Syrian war was not Brexit. Poor government in the UK, particularly on the part of David Cameron, was the cause of Brexit. There is ample reading material to outline:

1. Successive British governments were not happy to be part of Team EU and would rather be Leader of EU. They dont like taking orders, they like making them. This formented dislike of the EU for decades in english government.
2. Successive British governments were all too eager to blame anything that went wrong in england on the EU, or to use EU as a useful distraction when trying to distract from whatever current event was causing them problems. This formented grassroots dislike of the EU for decades.
3. David Cameron decided to use the Brexit question to deflect from something else and then fell flat on his face when the vote actually passed.

That is how brexit came about.

also re: Look now at the UK sending african migrants to Rwanda and taking in half as many refugees from ukraine as ireland did. Now there's a cold dose of reality on Ukraine's future with Europe

I would say that the english people are not racist but their government policies are and their home office is deplorable. a reminder again that when referencing the UK, refer to government or institutions and not use the wider "UK" term noting not everyone in the UK (or Russia, or Ukraine) is a shit.

Quote (Djunior @ 22 Apr 2022 13:13)

You are living in your own bubble, just repeating the same stuff you said before.

Once again, this is not about a new Soviet empire, it's not about Hitler, stop listening to woke MSM.

This is about several consecutive rounds of NATO expansion and Russia drawing a line in the sand. But you don't seem to get that just like many others here.

The proof is out there and it's indisputable. If you don't know what that means, it cannot be denied. It happened, it's history ;)

You should watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4



What a bunch of BS

I'm pointing out facts that cannot be denied. NATO's policy backfired

You're such a woke snowflake that you can't handle reality. Sucks for you.

You should prolly take a brake from PARD before you suffer a mental breakdown ;)

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 22 2022 03:37pm)

You are living in a bubble, Nato integration is a normal process for anyone who want to preserve itself from the new russian regime who refused to integrate EU and its value (Russian regime is not a real democracy, it's a kleptocracy mixed with oligarchy)
Russia kept constantly a pressure in the last 30 years to impersonate the power in place. Seems you are sticking on the shit conservative baton that praise peace when it arranges it.

"the fault" this troll trap seriously...

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Apr 22 2022 07:25am)

you condemned the shaming of pedos as supposedly a negative thing that can birth more pedos, just like i claimed and just like you denied

post search lasted 3 minutes too aswell, if it would take you an hour i now understand why you threw a tantrum when asked to do the search

Quote (Djunior @ 22 Apr 2022 13:46)

You can't tell the rest of the world what they have to do and how they should behave frenchie. Some nations don't agree with you.

You're out of touch with reality and a frikkin woke clown to boot.