Vindman just got torn apart by Stewart.
tl;dr version... Vindman judged what Trump did as wrong, but not what Biden did.
Vindman also assumed "favor" was an order, because in the military that's how it would be interpreted, but the fact that Trump and Zelensky were civilians never entered into his judgement.



/e ...and Stefanik just got Vindman to more or less admit that Trump has the final say on foreign policy.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 19 2019 11:42am

Trump is not a civilian

They never died.

Extortion, Bribery, and Quid pro Quo are essentially synonymous.



It isn't as simply as the black and white 'I Bribed, Extorted, Quid Pro Quo'd X with X for X'

In Fact, if the President or any of his caucus flat out said the above, that wouldn't be the end anyway. The hearings would continue and Republicans would just come up with propaganda to soak up.



One must notice that these buzz words are very fickle things. They are words the media can use to express to the people watching, and for the same reasoning the Parties use this common language for the people, dumbing it down, so's to speak.

In reality it comes down to the interpretation of the law and what is written in the constitution. - A lot of the reflection and discussion around this is, in particular the Repub propaganda, dumbed down so common folk like us can understand.
-On the same note it is easier to convince a dumbass common folk idiot who 'doesnt really follow all the noise, but are die hard Republicans/Democrats and know they didn't do anything wrong' thinks like that. So to ensure that people who dont dedicate the time to fully understand this proceeding, the word Bribery is in the constitution, so the same word bribery was used by Dems. Simply for ignorance to understand, nothing else.

Regardless of the buzz word we choose to use to desribe the highly illegal shit the president did, it was done.

This post was edited by IroningTheMaiden on Nov 19 2019 11:40am

"I know more than the generals" - Trump

" " - Ghot (a veteran)

"I interpreted it as an order in the military context" - Vindman

"what an idiot, Trump is a civilian. testimony smashed" - an idiot

Trump never "served" in the military so naturally he would not attach the same meaning to the word "favor" as a "military man" would.

It's amazing how many times I have to "explain" things like this to someone who claims to be so intelligent.

i realize Trump wouldn't use it in the military context. my post was talking about how you selectively use your "knowledge" and how you stfu when Trump says stuff like knowing more than generals. or when he signs off on pullouts generals are warning him against, 2 years after calling Obama the creator of ISIS for doing the same thing.

your selective attention to Trump's military ignorance was my point. im sure everyone is shocked you missed that entirely. i mean, you're notorious for being so good at self reflection.



hear*

also no reason for a comma after "Vindman" or later after "admit".

lastly "till" shouldn't be interchanged with 'til or til, which are slang for until. Till is a different word.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 19 2019 12:04pm

Well, even before we here from Morrison, it seems like there's nothing NEW being uncovered at this time, except that Vindman, made some assumptions he shouldn't have.


/e Hurd also got Vindman to admit, that the US wasn't "sure" of Ukraine's new non-corruption till long after the $391 mill was released.


/ee Jordan just got Vindman to admit that the lawyer told him not to talk to anyone (including his direct supervisor), who by law he is required to report to.

Further, Ratcliff got Vindman and Williams to answer that she didn't think there was a demand, but Vindman did think there was demand, when Trump asked for a favor.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 19 2019 12:04pm

Just like Trump was a "Russian agent"....dead

But ty for your explanation

Quick Reminder that more Americans Voted for the Trump to not be president than the number of people that voted for him to.

So any manipulation in saying 'the american people elected him' is out of context.

Good thing there's an electoral college. And in case you didn't know, the electoral college are "Americans" also.