Maybe you should simply point out where he's wrong instead of accusing him of being a paid troll.

whoops, as expected i am correct and you are either a mentally disabled dementia victim, or serial liar

you did condemn the shaming of the pedophilia practice as supposedly a conduit for more pedophilia "hydra heads"

time to "i'd be happy to say that wat i said was wrong if u can show me where i said it." and fuck off in shame, AGAIN

Sorry what i meant is it was a revolt movement against a criminal power, Maïdan has gathered all the layers of society and protesters from different parts of the country.
You have to understand that Putin and the few before were a postsovietic socio-economic system (national corruption) that had only been a masquerade for twenty-three years of independence.

Putin is reponsible of this, he triggered this event, by pushing too far his manipulations while playing with his puppets. Now Ukraine reached ultimate maturity with this war, defending its new identity and the West will help them, definitely.

What criminal power was that? The lawfully, freely and fairly elected legitimate democratic government? The one representing the will of the people and the interests of Ukrainian society? The one declared criminal by the autocratic regime that overthrew it in a foreign-backed coup d'etat, who ended national democracy in the country and then ended all democracy in the country, who banned the opposition and seized state media and employs actual Nazi death squads to kill journalists and dissidents?

For contrast, I'd say that ISIS had a more legitimate claim to governance than the Zelensky regime does right now. ISIS represented the legitimate will of the common people of Iraq and Syria, the majority of their population. They were formed by the revolution against undemocratic, autocratic powers that had suppressed the Sunni extremists. Once the yoke of the Ba'athists was removed, the average Iraqi and Syrian was happy to support a caliphate on the promise of sex slaves, butchering shias and kurds and yazidis and launching holy war against the west. ISIS didn't overthrow legitimate democracies, they overthrew dictators and foreign puppet governments. I'm sure if they ever held a truly free and fair election, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi would have won it. Until Delta Force send him a care package (in an operation supported by Russia, gee)

It was misguided idealists (charitable interpretation) who opened the door to regressive extremists in the mideast getting the representation they wanted after the Arab Spring. It took a cynical pragmatist to acknowledge that global society is better off with the boot on their neck. But what ideals were we pursuing when we backed 'all layers of society and protesters' from exclusively in the west of Ukraine to overthrow the democratic government elected by the more populous eastern oblasts, then plundered the country by replacing its russian oligarchy with a western oligarchy? We replaced their post-soviet corruption with our own, except this time around it wasn't a government they elected as a country, it was the fruit of insurrection. Maybe the French are okay with that, but I take a dim view of government at the barrel of a gun

Is the old man on his last legs? It wouldn't surprise me considering no Russian man in history has ever lived past the age of 75



https://twitter.com/Team_Stollberg/status/1498762759357480969

one temper tantrum by the "religion of peace" that arrive to you unchecked by boat every day, and he outlives you

better avoid bridges, gay clubs and the Reading park

Ukraine had its government changed in a Coup supported by the west. It is in the Ukrainian constitution (now) as I understand it that they would join Nato. France and Germany would have been and are aware of the Minsk treaty. France didnt accept America's shit about Iraq 2 and Germany is well aware of WW2, so obviously its normal for them to show some resistance to something that would destabilize the region.

We give Russia the same respect re: regional security when noting America and Cuba. If you say everything Russia says is fake then your smearing an entire country. That is xenophobic. One could just as easily say that alot of stuff from another country is fake. Yes Russia is spewing a pack of lies, but so is everyone else. re: "oh, we are nice people, we are going to leave Kyiv as a sign of goodwill". there are varied interpretations of what russia did and why re: Kyiv. I invite you to read what was said in this topic relating to it. I dont see any reason to comment on Russia not telling any one they were going to invade. this topic was made before they invaded. it was clear they were going to invade it was just a matter of what day. if the build up was not telegraphing i dont know what is. for strategic reasons it would have been dumb to tell the west "we are invading on monday, hope your ready".

If you really think Putin is empire building why did he not do it before ? he is isolationist. he drew a line in the sand and said no further, thanks. we crossed that line. I try not to go down godwins path so i wont comment on WW2. If you think there are similarities I would suggest you read more re: origins of WW2 and origins of this conflict, or watch the video below. Russia does not care about Alaska (or finland) it cares bout Ukraine. its a bit rich to be talking about black and white when you are smearing everything russia says as lies.

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This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 22 2022 03:18am

I think its overly simplistic to break down Putin into empire building vs isolationist. Its a bit of trope that makes a lot of rounds in foreign policy circles. Russia's influence has obviously waned since the end of the cold war, and Putin hasn't recaptured almost any new sphere of influence since balkanization. NATO has steadily encroached from one side while China has built an economic serfdom out of Africa and the rest of southeast Asia. If Russia was proactively seizing back territory lost by the USSR and tussling with China over the great game, that would be empire building. If Russia was content to fortify its borders and close itself off like North Korea that would be isolationism. Instead Russia has been carving out geopolitical alliances in the mideast and now forcibly resisting NATO expansion on its immediate border. Its more of a middle path, like if Putin's goal was to carefully usher Russia back into being a world power, mindful of the risks of overextension. Building an export based economy to trade with a world and develop dependencies on Russia that he can exploit, intervening in Iran and Syria and Ukraine but mostly not trying to tussle with China over Asia and Africa, besides the influence in their border states which has remained far from a conflict.
And to that extent, its definitely true that Putin doesn't care about Alaska or Finland or Africa or southeast Asia, he cares about Ukraine and Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan and Belarus and Iran and Syria (and now Iraq) and other countries the west forgets exist like Turkmenistan and Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Seizing Ukraine from the Russian sphere would be like China overthrowing the Mexican government and installing a group of Communist corpocrats allied with the cartels to govern the state. Putin isn't about to try to invade Sweden, but America had no qualms about overthrowing a Ukrainian democracy. Of course there's a war. And now we're giving missiles to nazis. Another brilliant foreign policy win for the United States of America and our manifest destiny

Your speech is ridiculous. If you want i show you the horrors of Russian regime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia

Melting Zelensky and ISIS ? Wtf the shit in your troll head ^^




This guy is also saying that at some point Russia is not tolerating that Ukraine to become a part of the EU, Nato.
"Russia not tolerating" that people can refuse its criminal behavior. Because Russia is doing a constant coup since 30 years.

Why do you think Ukraine is sacrifying soldiers who have such incredible motivation ? Because of Nato, Us, or EU? What a joke: No, they want to get free of the Russian Regime.
And they will be helped massively, whatever your guys want it or not.


Aka; A lot of time to have Ukraine to become that free without any kind of help from the outside: this only means that the war (which is not; it's an invasion) Mearsheimer announced would still happen, just later.
And Russia would have WON. If you support that you only deserve to get send on East front with a kick on the ass.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 22 2022 04:31am