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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Apr 21 2022 04:33pm)
just like WMDs were in Iraq unitl they weren't, just like bounties on US soldiers by Russia were "there" until they weren't anymore, just like "Russia Collusion" was there until it got debunked

ITS DIFFERENT THIS TIME, SIR YES SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You can fucking see it for yourself, fucking clown shoes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html
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Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 21 2022 11:32pm)
Natural resources used by the economy of Russia account for 95.7% of national wealth. This is where they get their money from. Of course its possible they can carry on, just as North Korea does. But maybe Russians wont like that and Putin or his successor changes his mind about invading other countries for empire growth.

Im aware that war has its consequences, although I dont agree that it will be that very long war.
What you seem to forget is that this is the war Putin started, west couldnt do much to prevent it. Putin smelled that Ukraine was not in NATO and therefore an easier target and attacked. Putin wants to grow his empire, as he is very low on people, Russian demographics is catastrophic. He could only gather 170k soldiers for Ukraine assault, definitely needs more people to enslave to make his country an empire. As simple as that.
Giving up is not an option really. Remember Hitler? he was given first Austria for free, but he was of course still hungry, then he asked for Czechia, he was of course still hungry, then he invaded Poland, west still did nothing, he was of course still hungry, he took France, then he attacked Britain and this is where he stopped.
Stopped not because he wanted to, but by force, by the british air force (supported by some friends). Could be stopped long before, and west was somewhat lucky as Battle of Britain was a close one.
Now when Putin asks for eastern europe, you gonna give it to him, right? Who cares about some eastern countries after all. Next he asks maybe for Alaska, it was a russian empire some time ago after all so Putin has rights to it, right? Who cares about some northern cold area.
Next China could ask for Japan and USA west coast, because why not, people can always move from west side to east side states, right?
What I mean: Of course war is a bad thing, but still better than giving up your freedom without fight.
For NATO providing some help to Ukraine is a proper thing to do, as first of all its a low cost way to stop Putin: you dont risk your own people lives, you dont risk your people blood. Second of all you do a proper thing to help the poor Ukrainians, who were unlucky to trust Russians in the 90s and stayed outside of NATO to please Russia.



Putin started this war because NATO accepted Ukraine's aspirations for membership in the future. Here's the indisputable proof, 2008 NATO summit Bucharest https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

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NATO welcomes Georgia's and Ukraine's aspirations for membership


Secondly the poor Ukrainians are not so innocent as you make belief. They've been stealing Russian gas for a long time and didn't pay their bills, it was EU that payed outstanding bills. Here's the indisputable proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes
This kind of stuff caused Russia-Ukraine relationship to deteriorate even before the problems caused by NATO and the EU (causing Ukraine to turn it's back to Russia which they see as a huge betrayal).

Thirdly Putin isn't building a new empire, this would be madness in the age of nuclear weapons. Putin simply drew a line in the sand, no more NATO expansion on his border. Simple as that.

Lastly Hitler got nothing to do with this. A completely different time and a guy drunk of his initial success thinking he could take on the rest of the world. This kind of stuff is not possible in the age of nukes.
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Quote (Djunior @ 21 Apr 2022 21:14)
I didn't support Putin ^^

See, that's those loose wires in yur head I was talking about ;)


You are spitting on everyone according to your needs, and since no one is innocent you are always right ?
Beautiful mental gymnastics, Einstein.

Quote (Djunior @ 21 Apr 2022 22:08)
Putin started this war because NATO accepted Ukraine's aspirations for membership in the future. Here's the indisputable proof, 2008 NATO summit Bucharest https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html


No, he started this agression because chances to put a puppet in charge were going away definitely. As simple as that.
Who would want to live under such a dictatorship ? 15 years prison for saying "no war" on the streets ...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 21 2022 04:12pm
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 22 2022 12:08am)
You are spitting on everyone according to your needs, and since no one is innocent you are always right ?
Beautiful mental gymnastics, Einstein.


What are you trying to say lol

Stop using google translate it makes you look really dumb

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 22 2022 12:08am)

No, he started this agression because chances to put a puppet in charge were going away definitely. As simple as that.
Who would want to live under such a dictatorship ? 15 years prison for saying "no war" on the streets ...


The NATO summit link I posted is indisputable proof, you cannot get around it frenchie. Sucks for you I guess ^^

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 21 2022 04:15pm
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Quote (Djunior @ 22 Apr 2022 00:08)
Putin started this war because NATO accepted Ukraine's aspirations for membership in the future. Here's the indisputable proof, 2008 NATO summit Bucharest https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

Secondly the poor Ukrainians are not so innocent as you make belief. They've been stealing Russian gas for a long time and didn't pay their bills, it was EU that payed outstanding bills. Here's the indisputable proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes
This kind of stuff caused Russia-Ukraine relationship to deteriorate even before the problems caused by NATO and the EU (causing Ukraine to turn it's back to Russia which they see as a huge betrayal).

Thirdly Putin isn't building a new empire, this would be madness in the age of nuclear weapons. Putin simply drew a line in the sand, no more NATO expansion on his border. Simple as that.

Lastly Hitler got nothing to do with this. A completely different time and a guy drunk of his initial success thinking he could take on the rest of the world. This kind of stuff is not possible in the age of nukes.


Ukraine was not offered a MAP or given a concrete date to join NATO. Resistance was reportedly met from France and Germany.
Why do you give Russia a decision what their neighbours can do, and what they cant? Only because Russia is twice as big as Ukraine and has more money from natural resources?
Of course whatever Russia says is fake and they are only looking for excuses, for example when they get beaten at Kyiv they said "oh, we are nice people, we are going to leave Kyiv as a sign of goodwill".
Something like 2 days before the war they said that they arent going to invade Ukraine.
Never trust a word that Putin or his people says.
Building a new empire isnt madness for Putin. Its very risky, but it can possibly work out, if he can scare western people. You cant really use nukes for offensive actions too much, as nukes are mainly defensive mutual destruction weapons, you need a conventional strength as well to make wars like the one in Ukraine. And for conventional strength you need people, you need factories, Russia doesnt have it currently. It used to have as USSR or "warsaw pact", and it was an empire back then, but doesnt have currently.
And about Hitler, we need to learn from the history so that we dont make same mistakes again over and over. France was very sure that Hitler cannot conquer them. But he did.
You say that invasion isnt possible in age of nukes, but for example, is USA going to start nuke "end of world" war if Russia takes Alaska as they say it was Russian once in the history?
I doubt it.
What if Russia makes some serious propaganda in one of the states in USA, so that some USA people will ask Russia troops to come protect them from "Nazi USA government"?
Are you going to nuke that state and your own people? or start fullscale "end of world" nuke war because of it? I doubt it, it will be again a propaganda and conventional war.
As you see things are not always black and white.
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Quote (Djunior @ 21 Apr 2022 22:12)
What are you trying to say lol
Stop using google translate it makes you look really dumb
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The NATO summit link I posted is indisputable proof, you cannot get around it frenchie. Sucks for you I guess ^^


Pooping on your self-inflated ego to make it look beautiful will not help it. Your link proves nothing except that your lack of capacity in understanding the whole picture.
The only things you can do are "they are all the same, so putin isnt that that" and "oh look a nato proposition: this is a declaration of war!"

Putin is trying to grab back territories and influence since 20 years to rebuild the great old soviet union...
Once again, since you are unable to collect and reunite all elements, you fall in some kind of unilateral simplistic thinking.
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 21 2022 01:18pm)
I would like now to take the time to pre-emptively get ahead of the next fake news propaganda story when Santara and Ichbindaddy inevitably start freaking out over it and posting links to WaPo on it next week:

https://i.ibb.co/nbPN77y/FQ423-LGXo-AI1-UQQ.png


Kinda like you got ahead of it here, I see..

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jan 23 2022 03:07pm)
Fact is, Russia ain't invading squat and this is just another case of the paranoid genocidal homicidal fascists in DC drumming up yet another unnecessary war while pretending that it is their victims which are the unholy, evil aggressors.


The only fake news being posted here is largely coming from your comments. No one reasonable is taking anything you say seriously because, as it's been mentioned dozens of times already, you're spewing nothing more than Russian propaganda. You've reset the goalposts every time you've been incorrect. At this point, I think most folks responding to you are only doing so to have a laugh at your expense.

Seriously, fess up to being a paid troll. It's far less embarrassing than the alternative.

This post was edited by Vereor on Apr 21 2022 05:27pm
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Apr 21 2022 05:30pm
2004 the pro russian candidate lost, it was a shock for the Kremlin which then, for years, tried to get its infuence back, which did not work.
So in 2014 Putin triggered the Maidan revolt to push further the disruption. Unfortunately the transition to EU and democracy was not stopped.
The last stand was to start an invasion, which failed in its first phase. (3 days blizz fail)

Here's the real, main, reason why Putin invaded Ukraine.


Ukraine is a big country with 44 millions people, larger than france in size by like 20%, and with a guerilla culture...
It took 7 years to the Red Army (after the ww2) to repress them. I let you imagine the bad situation for Russ if the whole west is
1/ massively help Ukraine with military
2/ applies hardest sanctions



This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 21 2022 05:42pm
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Quote (Vereor @ Apr 21 2022 05:24pm)
Kinda like you got ahead of it here, I see..

The only fake news being posted here is largely coming from your comments. No one reasonable is taking anything you say seriously because, as it's been mentioned dozens of times already, you're spewing nothing more than Russian propaganda. You've reset the goalposts every time you've been incorrect. At this point, I think most folks responding to you are only doing so to have a laugh at your expense.

Seriously, fess up to being a paid troll. It's far less embarrassing than the alternative.


I'm not a troll. Just somebody with very strong opinions and convictions. I am not one to be shaken from my convictions easily, and neither are most people here.

Sure, Russia did end up invading, but that doesn't mean the truly historic propaganda campaign against Russia has any credibility whatsoever. These lying pieces of filth would have you believe every Russian soldier is a subhuman animal that automatically has the instinct to kill and rape every Ukrainian civilian they run into. Like it's a hollywood film.

And yet, nothing could be further from the truth. What individual sheep who don't question the media think means very, very little to me and I think you would have figured that out by now.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 21 2022 05:30pm)

So in 2014 Putin triggered the Maidan revolt to push further the disruption. Unfortunately the transition to EU and democracy was not stopped.




Wow, that's a new one I haven't heard before. Funny, I thought that was Obama and Victoria Nuland, since you know, they were the ones who were actually behind it.

Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster also?
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