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May 22 2023 07:50am
didnt find the United States News Topic, so im posting here



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May 25 2023 11:25am
Germany in recession

The guy at the end, struggling to explain it but not mentioning that the sanctions backfired is 100% cringe, lol

Corona pandemic is responsible, lol

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May 25 2023 01:06pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 25 2023 07:25pm)
Germany in recession

The guy at the end, struggling to explain it but not mentioning that the sanctions backfired is 100% cringe, lol

Corona pandemic is responsible, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03CxYK-5Moo


the first reports today listed consumers being frugal as a reason

or maybe people just have no money after paying for absurd cost of living and preparing for it to become worse

the history books will have fun with this complete self destruction that is happening without a single shot fired
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May 25 2023 08:13pm
Quote (Djunior @ 25 May 2023 19:25)
Germany in recession

The guy at the end, struggling to explain it but not mentioning that the sanctions backfired is 100% cringe, lol

Corona pandemic is responsible, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03CxYK-5Moo

A technical recession of 0.8% during the height of an energy crisis is no big deal. Particularly since the gas and electricity prices have already come down from their peaks last summer/winter and are mostly close to their pre-war levels. The real issue for Germany is the long-term outlook: there is no political will to bring down energy prices any further or otherwise relieve consumers, there is also no will (from both politics and the capital side) to raise wages proportionally to inflation (meaning that consumer's real purchasing power is in decline), and there is strong political pressure on both businesses and citizens to invest a fuckton into climate measures which won't boost our long-term productivity or wealth (e.g. replacing all oil- or gas-based heating systems with heat pumps).

Energy sanctions against Russia were a failure, and for the record I was against them all along - but they're not the main culprit for the recession in Germany or the bad level of consumer confidence. Note that energy prices had already been soaring since mid-2021 - long before the onset of the war or the sanctions! - as a result of Russia messing with the markets in a clear preparation of the war that was to come several months later. Similarly, it was Russia which closed the gas tap starting in July 22; Germany was more than willing to continue to receive gas via Nord Stream 1 and had repeatedly blocked other countries' attempts at including natural gas on the sanction lists.

It's naive to think that the war and the economic decoupling between Russia and the West would have led to no turbulences on the markets and everything would be fine and dandy right now if only there had been no sanctions.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 25 2023 08:15pm
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May 26 2023 07:24am
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A technical recession of 0.8% during the height of an energy crisis is no big deal. Particularly since the gas and electricity prices have already come down from their peaks last summer/winter and are mostly close to their pre-war levels. The real issue for Germany is the long-term outlook: there is no political will to bring down energy prices any further or otherwise relieve consumers, there is also no will (from both politics and the capital side) to raise wages proportionally to inflation (meaning that consumer's real purchasing power is in decline), and there is strong political pressure on both businesses and citizens to invest a fuckton into climate measures which won't boost our long-term productivity or wealth (e.g. replacing all oil- or gas-based heating systems with heat pumps).

Energy sanctions against Russia were a failure, and for the record I was against them all along - but they're not the main culprit for the recession in Germany or the bad level of consumer confidence. Note that energy prices had already been soaring since mid-2021 - long before the onset of the war or the sanctions! - as a result of Russia messing with the markets in a clear preparation of the war that was to come several months later. Similarly, it was Russia which closed the gas tap starting in July 22; Germany was more than willing to continue to receive gas via Nord Stream 1 and had repeatedly blocked other countries' attempts at including natural gas on the sanction lists.

It's naive to think that the war and the economic decoupling between Russia and the West would have led to no turbulences on the markets and everything would be fine and dandy right now if only there had been no sanctions.


If you now import LNG which is a lot more expensive than natural gas delivered via pipeline then it's only logical that prices won't come down to pre-war levels. You're not telling me that you're getting LNG as cheap as you got Russian gas and that the LNG terminals that you built were free..

It's been a huge effort, huge investment and LNG will always be more expensive.

German economy is EU's biggest economy right? that -0.8 % doesn't sound like much but how many hundreds of billions are we talking about?
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May 26 2023 07:39am
Quote (Djunior @ May 26 2023 02:24pm)
If you now import LNG which is a lot more expensive than natural gas delivered via pipeline then it's only logical that prices won't come down to pre-war levels. You're not telling me that you're getting LNG as cheap as you got Russian gas and that the LNG terminals that you built were free..

It's been a huge effort, huge investment and LNG will always be more expensive.

German economy is EU's biggest economy right? that -0.8 % doesn't sound like much but how many hundreds of billions are we talking about?


What percentage of Russia has access to clean drinking water?

https://epi.yale.edu/epi-results/2020/component/h2o

I'll lyk you know that Lebanon and Colombia feature above Russia in this sanitation comparison.
Germany can take a 0.8% hit to their economy. Better hope the gas station can keep pumping without western operatives ;)
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May 26 2023 08:44am
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What percentage of Russia has access to clean drinking water?

https://epi.yale.edu/epi-results/2020/component/h2o

I'll lyk you know that Lebanon and Colombia feature above Russia in this sanitation comparison.
Germany can take a 0.8% hit to their economy. Better hope the gas station can keep pumping without western operatives ;)


Trying to sell massive losses as a win, lol

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May 26 2023 09:25am
Quote (Djunior @ May 26 2023 03:44pm)
Trying to sell massive losses as a win, lol

#D1shonesty


Zero loss to NATO. You are in denial^^

NATO just gained 2 new members and took zero losses.

Russia on the other hand? Well they got a dheel of bakhmut right? :rofl:
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Zero loss to NATO. You are in denial^^

NATO just gained 2 new members and took zero losses.

Russia on the other hand? Well they got a dheel of bakhmut right? :rofl:




Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 13 2023 04:56pm)
Awfully quiet in here on a day where Russia shot down multiples of their own aircraft and retreated from Bakhmut. Can hear a pin drop.


Contradicting yourself buddy, how much did you have today?
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Quote (Djunior @ May 26 2023 04:45pm)
Contradicting yourself buddy, how much did you have today?


#3 months nostradamus :rofl:
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