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Aug 5 2016 02:17am
Quote (MaliceMizer @ Aug 5 2016 03:02am)
Time to read some Sam Harris Moral landscape or Hitchens God is Not Great.



Read Hitchens'. Comparing a biological process with the development of an idea under social pressure is dubious at best, and using the latter to prove the former is nonsense.
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Read Hitchens'. Comparing a biological process with the development of an idea under social pressure is dubious at best, and using the latter to prove the former is nonsense.



Yes but institutions which dictate something like papal infalabilty requires a forward march, while a rogue idea can go back and revise.
We're talking about established dogmatic religions, not the truth.
Mormons can't go back and say they don't think black people are black for being full of sin - they gotta fund neo nazi and islamic terrorism movements in secret.

Survival of the fittest is as true for such instituitions as it is for DNA/RNA.
That's why most liberal christians try to distinguish themselves from the church with the "personal relationship with Jesus" mumbo jumbo.

Your signature says "the truth" as a presupposition for religion but religion has very little to do with truth, it's just a house of cards built upon the truth.





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Following the light I hear :)
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You're post is a mess and no sane person would read past the first two lines. You really should learn how to structure your posts to make them more readable.

Just what I thought, you do not support any of those charities. I thought you cared about them if you are making such a big deal about it.


The following parable teaches us not to waste our time with such idiots. Matthew 13:

That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

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Aug 5 2016 10:51am
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Following the light I hear :)


Only insects and cold blooded reptiles follow the light.
Walk by faith.
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But do I claim to be all-loving and all-powerful? You can rest assured that if I had the capacity to end world suffering, I'd do it in a heartbeat, not waste time on some dumb American rich kid.

But sure, morality comes from god :D


You do not need to be all-loving and all-powerful to make a difference to those starving children.

You do claim that you care about them, do you care enough to actually do something about it?

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The following parable teaches us not to waste our time with such idiots. Matthew 13:

That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”


Is that what you think that parable means? Do not waste our time? What do all of the 4 types of people have in common in that parable? They all 'hear the word.' It is what they do in response to hearing the word that determines which kind of the 4 people they are. I do not have control over their response to hearing the word but I do have control over them hearing the word.
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You do not need to be all-loving and all-powerful to make a difference to those starving children.


No, but god DOES need to make a difference to all those starving children to call himself all-loving and all-powerful. If he can do it for some, he can do it for all, right?

Why don't you stop surrendering intellectually and actually think about this, rather than trying to dodge the question and make it all about painting me in a negative light? I could be a mass murderer and it would make not a gnat's dick of difference to the validity of my point.
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No, but god DOES need to make a difference to all those starving children to call himself all-loving and all-powerful. If he can do it for some, he can do it for all, right?

Why don't you stop surrendering intellectually and actually think about this, rather than trying to dodge the question and make it all about painting me in a negative light? I could be a mass murderer and it would make not a gnat's dick of difference to the validity of my point.



:)nod:
Every time I see people praying for sports I think about this:




The worst part about it, the photographer just snapped the shot and kept on strollin' along.

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Is that what you think that parable means? Do not waste our time? What do all of the 4 types of people have in common in that parable? They all 'hear the word.' It is what they do in response to hearing the word that determines which kind of the 4 people they are. I do not have control over their response to hearing the word but I do have control over them hearing the word.


will you bullshit me into religion ?
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