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Jul 28 2021 11:44am
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You just said some should get 10 year sentences. The fact that the media and democrats keep using nonsensical strong verbs like insurrection is happening for a reason. They want to throw the book at those people and paint a story much worse than reality for obvious partisan reasons.

Ideological causation is largely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you punch a cop in the mouth because you think the system is racist vs he's stopping you from going through a door. Both should be getting similar sentences.


or, and boy this is gonna be a long thought here so stick with me, trying to stop the electoral vote for POTUS is insurrection.

wait, nvm that was simple.
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Jul 28 2021 11:48am
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or, and boy this is gonna be a long thought here so stick with me, trying to stop the electoral vote for POTUS is insurrection.

wait, nvm that was simple.


Look up the word insurrection in wiki and read examples of what insurrections look like.

Tell me where weekend warriors waiving flags going into a building for a few hours compares.
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Jul 28 2021 11:53am
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or, and boy this is gonna be a long thought here so stick with me, trying to stop the electoral vote for POTUS is insurrection.

wait, nvm that was simple.


if anything it was the alternate electors that got interfered with. But if you want to say it was "electoral vote for POTUS" thats great because it was antifa/blm that breached the building.
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Jul 28 2021 11:55am
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you honestly dont think a majority of people condemn the govt taking land thats worth millions from a family? that seems silly.


I think that most people don't really appreciate how much of an impact it had, and even when they learn about it they aren't willing to support the steps needed to correct it, which is why I said "but will never acknowledge we should fix the other." There's been an active attempt to portray the abuses as "over so long ago that there's no way they could still have ripples now".

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You just said some should get 10 year sentences. The fact that the media and democrats keep using nonsensical strong verbs like insurrection is happening for a reason. They want to throw the book at those people and paint a story much worse than reality for obvious partisan reasons.

Ideological causation is largely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you punch a cop in the mouth because you think the system is racist vs he's stopping you from going through a door. Both should be getting similar sentences.


Context is vitally important for determining what punishment should be handed down. If you punch a cop in the mouth because he's assaulting you and illegally arresting you, that's legal because resisting an unlawful arrest is legal. Punching a cop in the mouth who is engaging in a necessary function of their job is not.
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Jul 28 2021 11:56am
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Look up the word insurrection in wiki and read examples of what insurrections look like.

Tell me where weekend warriors waiving flags going into a building for a few hours compares.


tell me why post after post you ignore that it was electoral college voting day, and the vote was in session, and they broke in through armed checkpoints, and the vote was postponed?

i dont think even you can be stupid enough to actually leave that context out due to ignorance. geesh.

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I think that most people don't really appreciate how much of an impact it had, and even when they learn about it they aren't willing to support the steps needed to correct it, which is why I said "but will never acknowledge we should fix the other." There's been an active attempt to portray the abuses as "over so long ago that there's no way they could still have ripples now".



Context is vitally important for determining what punishment should be handed down. If you punch a cop in the mouth because he's assaulting you and illegally arresting you, that's legal because resisting an unlawful arrest is legal. Punching a cop in the mouth who is engaging in a necessary function of their job is not.


i just found out about it when u told me, but if theres a step to remove that power from govt ill sign a petition.

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Jul 28 2021 11:59am
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tell me why post after post you ignore that it was electoral college voting day, and the vote was in session, and they broke in through armed checkpoints, and the vote was postponed?

i dont think even you can be stupid enough to actually leave that context out due to ignorance. geesh.



i just found out about it when u told me, but if theres a step to remove that power from govt ill sign a petition.


Degree of force is relevant because it shows how serious people are with their mission/intentions. Again, look up what typical insurrections looked like for historical refence. Flag waving people breaking into to postpone a vote for a few days is painfully lacking in resolve.

Ironically, this is a prime example of the 11yr old throwing tp. This is like a regular day after the election in most African/ME/SA countries.

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Jul 28 2021 12:08pm
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i just found out about it when u told me, but if theres a step to remove that power from govt ill sign a petition.


You'll sign a petition, but if you now own the land are you going to vote for that petition to raise taxes so the city and re-purchase the land and give it back to the family?

and it's not just that one family, it's millions. Just signing a petition, even if effective in that one case, isn't really gonna amount to much in the grand scheme. Every city would need to do the same for hundreds of families. The federal government would need to make reparations for discriminating on housing loans. This is something we'd need a massive and costly effort to correct, and people just aren't willing to undertake those efforts.

In the end, it's a situation that few people appreciate the impact of, and even fewer people are willing to correct, and that a much much larger force is actively trying to sweep under the rug, and that will require a massive effort to correct.
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Jul 28 2021 12:13pm
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Degree of force is relevant because it shows how serious people are with their mission/intentions. Again, look up what typical insurrections looked like for historical refence. Flag waving people breaking into to postpone a vote for a few days is painfully lacking in resolve.

Ironically, this is a prime example of the 11yr old throwing tp. This is like a regular day after the election in most African/ME/SA countries.


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Insurrection also falls under the same suite of federal laws as sedition, and the two can be difficult to distinguish. But it is charged by federal prosecutors far more rarely—almost never in American history. It means, essentially, to incite, assist in or engage in a full-on rebellion against the government: a step beyond just conspiring against it, and requiring that significant violence be involved.Cliven Bundy, a Nevada rancher, mounted an armed standoff with the federal government in 2014—his son, Ammon Bundy, did the same in Oregon in 2016—on the basis of an explicitly anti-U.S. government philosophy. Still, prosecutors did not charge them with insurrection, which legal experts say is nearly impossible to prove in court.


you're an idiot to suggest that charging with insurrection by a federal prosecutor and a senator using that word aimed at those engaging in an admittedly light case of it should be the same bar to clear. then again you're probably not smart enough to make the distinction given that you dont even factually present the events of that day over and over.

every year you drop 5 IQ points. you're chasing Endless to the bottom of the drain at this point, sad!

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You'll sign a petition, but if you now own the land are you going to vote for that petition to raise taxes so the city and re-purchase the land and give it back to the family?

and it's not just that one family, it's millions. Just signing a petition, even if effective in that one case, isn't really gonna amount to much in the grand scheme. Every city would need to do the same for hundreds of families. The federal government would need to make reparations for discriminating on housing loans. This is something we'd need a massive and costly effort to correct, and people just aren't willing to undertake those efforts.

In the end, it's a situation that few people appreciate the impact of, and even fewer people are willing to correct, and that a much much larger force is actively trying to sweep under the rug, and that will require a massive effort to correct.


i do vote for the party that wants to drastically reduce government power, specifically on private property, every time a Libertarian appears on the ballot.

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Jul 28 2021 12:19pm
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you're an idiot to suggest that charging with insurrection by a federal prosecutor and a senator using that word aimed at those engaging in an admittedly light case of it should be the same bar to clear. then again you're probably not smart enough to make the distinction given that you dont even present the events of that day over and over.
every year you drop 5 IQ points. you're chasing Endless to the bottom of the drain at this point, sad!
i do vote for the party that wants to drastically reduce government power, specifically on private property, every time a Libertarian appears on the ballot.


So you vote for the party that actively makes it so the government can't fix the issue :thumbsup:

I mean, if their platform was "fix it then make sure it doesn't happen again" that'd be one thing, but the party platform is "government get out regardless of fixing anything" so that's not really something meaningful.

Anyway, I won't pretend to have a silver bullet to fix the issue. At minimum, we should have federal incentives for families and communities who were screwed out of housing, and local governments should pay for incidents like Bruce's Beach. That's like, the minimum steps. It doesn't help that the Supreme Court cut the Voting Rights Act which massively opened the door to racial discrimination in voting. That was a massive overreach and will likely go down as one of the court's worst decisions.
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