Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 14 2020 11:07am)

Lockdowns are the last ditch effort to contain an already widely spreading virus. By the time you get to lockdowns you've already got a ton of community spread. Just comparing rates is insufficient because places that don't lock down didn't lock down don't have as much spread as those that do. There's a substantial bias in the data where lockdowns will always look higher.

You're not doing nearly enough leg work to make these comparisons my dude. This isn't a simple subject that the laymen can realistically asses. You'd better be making tens of hours of spreadsheets to justify your position or you end up making very obvious mistakes like this.

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The lesson isn’t that lockdowns made the spread worse — though raw evidence may suggest that — but that lockdowns probably didn’t help, and opening up didn’t hurt. It defies common sense. In theory, quarantine ought to control the spread of an infectious disease. Evidently not in practice, though we are aware of no researcher who understands why not.

We aren’t the only researchers to have discovered this statistical relationship. We first published a version of these findings in April. In July, a publication of The Lancet published research that found similar results looking across countries rather than US states. “A longer time prior to implementation of any lockdown was associated with a lower number of detected cases,” the study concludes. Those findings have now been enhanced by sophisticated measures of actual social distancing and data from the reopening phase.

There are experimental controls that all this research lacks. There are no observable instances in which there were either total lockdowns or no lockdowns at all. But there is no escaping the evidence that, at minimum, heavy lockdowns were no more effective than light ones, and that opening up a lot was no more harmful than opening up a little. So where is the science that would justify the heavy lockdowns many officials are still demanding?

With the evidence we now possess, even the most risk-averse health officials should hesitate before demanding the next lockdown and causing the next recession.

Quote (fender @ Oct 14 2020 11:39am)

that's quite funny coming from someone who just admitted to likely not being able to prevent themselves from getting triggered, after already making two replies sounding like a mad twelve year old on their xbox, lol...

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no need to be upset, kid. it's not my fault you live in a shithole country and it's triggering the hell out of you that i don't.

reframing "plotting to kidnap and kill a governor" as "trying to correct grievous wrongs" sounds very much like "austere religious scholar" to me - or trying to reframe the proliferation of white supremacy propaganda as "recommending award winning books", lol.

but hey, if that is genuinely how you justify plans like that in your narrow little mind, i am sure you'll be intellectually and logically consistent here, and would also support a plot to kidnap and kill the orange emperor, correct? after all it's not just "livelihoods at stake" (while trying to prevent the spread of a deadly disease), with him it's literally tens of thousands of LIVES, by making the pandemic a partisan issue in the first place, by deliberately withholding aid to blue states, by playing it down against better knowledge, by propagating anti-scientific ideas, and being the single largest source of mis- and disinformation concerning covid-19. the grievous wrongs fixed by taking him out would easily outweigh the admittedly severe economic consequences of shutdowns several times over, right?

Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 14 2020 11:36am)

Whats this about vitamin d?

Quote (fender @ Oct 14 2020 11:51am)

imagine mistaking an opinion piece from donald fucking luskin for science. some people...

Quote (Santara @ 14 Oct 2020 19:03)

Everyone here knows full well I respond to tone, and it was you who started in with the invective. Responding in kind =/= rage. Starting in with it? Yeah, that probably does.



Lol, "kid."

There are very few people here that are my senior. But perhaps you're referring to behavior? But alas, your own rules that out as well.

Quote (Sh00p @ Oct 14 2020 10:30am)

This is better than weed.

Op wanted people to address right wing terrorism, people spend nearly eight pages ignoring it.

Quote (theCrossbones @ 14 Oct 2020 19:46)

yes this thread proves the subject is always ignored..
white supremist or militia's become debates about Vitamin D

Quote (Santara @ Oct 14 2020 01:05pm)

When cops do it, we call it an arrest. When a citizen does it, we call it kidnapping? Her shutdown order has cost thousands of people their rights to a livelihood, which is pretty criminal, for no appreciable gain. They SHOULD arrest her.