But systemic racism is very easy to see.

Take a hypothetical where ancestor from family A stole $1,000,000 from family B 100 years ago. 100 years later, this crime comes to light. Are the descendants of family B any more entitled to that wealth than that of family A? The "yes" argument comes from an understanding of ownership. It is "wrong" for family A to retain that wealth because it "belongs" to family B through established familial ties and inheritance. Strictly speaking, neither set of descendants has done anything to deserve wealth produced by other men and women who are now long dead. It is fundamentally more a legal issue than a moral one.

What can be said about this situation, though, is that we have clearly defined harm ($1 million stolen) and clearly defined parties. If family A turned out to be spendthrifts, and lost the inheritance within a few short years, it would be unreasonable to assume that the new recipients of that wealth should also have to compensate family B. In this case, they're clearly not at fault.

We are lacking that in the present case. We don't have a good understanding of the financial harm, we don't have a good understanding of who is or isn't involved, and the wealth created has been recirculated to such an extent as to make those questions impossible to unravel.

This is all secondary to the fact that assigning moral culpability based on race is dehumanizing, and that the logic is a pandora's box for any number of historical grievances that are similarly impossible to unravel.

The irony in this is off the charts.

You are misusing the word.

You don't come somewhere and change its history and politics, no matter how narcissistic you are.

You work within the social contract, not pretend it isn't there.

Irony is going to a new country because yours is shittier and then saying its not good enough, like Mr. Void.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 12 2020 05:02pm

The bold is fundamentally an argument against inheritance, not an argument against my position specifically. Basically what you just said is that if your great grandpa has a ring that he leaves to his kid, who leaves it to his kid, etc. that the family loses the right to that ring after a few generations, that they lose the right to any possession after a few generations.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 12 2020 05:26pm

So you agree that illegal immigrants should continue to be deported?

Selectively.

I would prefer to make them work and tax their income.

Just to piss you off i will tell you i have worked with a lot of illegal immigrants and helped them connect with resources like health care, public assistance like food pantries, education resources, english classes, housing opportunities, and more, in my career as a social worker.

I will continue to do this.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 12 2020 06:00pm

You being a hypocrite doesn't piss me off.

How am i being a hypocrite? I live out my values and fuck everything else.

My values are do no harm and help people who need it. I'm not being a hypocrite when I'm helping another human being.

Thank god I have Christians that help me in this. You godless people are no help.

You just said people who come from shitty countries that want to change America should just go home. Meanwhile you support illegal immigrants fleeing shitty countries and agree with them wanting to change immigration laws.

Do you not know what hypocrisy is?

This post was edited by fuzzy159 on Jul 12 2020 07:24pm