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Jul 11 2020 09:24am
Quote (Leevee @ Jul 11 2020 05:19pm)
Maybe it's because I need more coffee, but I genuinely don't get what you mean.


why dont you ppls ask for a better more equal system like you said?

i mean, its a rethoric question yes, since the answer is capitalism. as long as ppl accept the compount interest system like it is right now there always will be the 1% who dont give a fck to the 99%.

why dont ppl FIGHT for that? understanding now?

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 11 2020 05:22pm)
The biggest lesson from it i think is if something is owned by everyone, nobody takes personal responsibility for it.

It falls apart at the commons.

And there are a plethora of other reasons it sucks.

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that person 1 and person 2 can make a decision about person 3. But that happens in capitalism all the time too. Externality is real.


youre obsessed with the capitalistic devil my friend. you need trust more in ppls

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Jul 11 2020 09:26am
Quote (GLYC123 @ Jul 11 2020 05:22pm)
What were the criminal penalties for choosing not to partake in the Communistic regime or meet their quota? Genocide? Beatings? Loss of property? Long sentences? Starvation?


See, this is just lazy and makes your defense for capitalism hold no credibility whatsoever.
Capitalism is designed in such a way that anyone who chooses not to participate will be homeless, and forced to eat out of trash cans or die out of starvation. Don't fool yourself into thinking that people have a choice about it.
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Jul 11 2020 09:27am
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why dont you ppls ask for a better more equal system like you said?

i mean, its a rethoric question yes, since the answer is capitalism. as long as ppl accept the compount interest system like it is right now there always will be the 1% who dont give a fck to the 99%.

why dont ppl FIGHT for that? understanding now?


Poor people wouldn't have anything if we went back to banks having to have full reserves. Now its a house of cards but a lot of people have a lot of stuff.

Apply that to savings and loans maybe but not corporate entities that aren't real people that can go to a bank and take their money out.
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Jul 11 2020 09:28am
Lmfao, all the privileged idiots in here. Whining because they have to work to make a living, like everyone before them didn't have too. What a bunch of betas.


Nothing but male-karens in here bitching they can get their lulu lemons for the price they want

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Quote (Skinned @ Jul 11 2020 10:24am)
Yes, that's why I'm a liberal, i believe all humans should have rights.

That's why i swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

Make no mistake, i love America. But you can't master yourself through denial and rationalizations and black and white thinking like I'm seeing here.


Oh I agree that America has done some awful things. I mean people have been exploited here as well.

This is a disturbing story about women working with radium and contracting bone cancer, loss of teeth, jaws, their bodies literally breaking apart as their bones disintegrated.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/radium-girls

Just in comparison to something like the USSR, we've had it better.
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Jul 11 2020 09:32am
Quote (Leevee @ Jul 11 2020 08:26am)
See, this is just lazy and makes your defense for capitalism hold no credibility whatsoever.
Capitalism is designed in such a way that anyone who chooses not to participate will be homeless, and forced to eat out of trash cans or die out of starvation. Don't fool yourself into thinking that people have a choice about it.


at the core of capitalism every transaction must have a loser.

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Jul 11 2020 09:39am
Quote (Leevee @ Jul 11 2020 10:26am)
See, this is just lazy and makes your defense for capitalism hold no credibility whatsoever.
Capitalism is designed in such a way that anyone who chooses not to participate will be homeless, and forced to eat out of trash cans or die out of starvation. Don't fool yourself into thinking that people have a choice about it.


Except we have infinitely more freedom. You have much more control than someone in communism does over your own situation.

Hell people come here with nothing and make it work. Is it pleasant or easy? No. You will probably have to have multiple people living in an apartment, but it can be done.

I enjoy having weekends off (and no, not all Americans have this). Plus we have offerred forms of assistance to the homeless. We have homeless shelters, soup kitchens. Food drives. I highly doubt this occurred in the USSR.

Is it perfect? No, but it's better than a society that even while working you may starve. And that concept is applied to very large amounts of people historically in communism.

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Jul 11 2020 09:44am
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Except we have infinitely more freedom. You have much more control than someone in communism does over your own situation.

Hell people come here with nothing and make it work. Is it pleasant or easy? No. You will probably have to have multiple people living in an apartment, but it can be done.

I enjoy having weekends off (and no, not all Americans have this). Plus we have offerred forms of assistance to the homeless. We have homeless shelters, soup kitchens. Food drives. I highly doubt this occurred in the USSR.

Is it perfect? No, but it's better than a society that even while working you may starve. And that concept is applied to very large amounts of people historically in communism.


https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp
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Jul 11 2020 09:48am
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Seems like we're doing pretty good.

Hey if you want to go to China. PARD would probably be willing to pay for your plane ticket and in exchange we could allow a person from Hong Kong to come to the USA in your place. ;)
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Jul 11 2020 09:50am
Quote (GLYC123 @ Jul 11 2020 08:48am)
Seems like we're doing pretty good.

Hey if you want to go to China. PARD would probably be willing to pay for your plane ticket and in exchange we could allow a person from Hong Kong to come to the USA in your place. ;)


huh? for all your "anything that isn't capitalism is terrible".. There are a bunch of socialist countries ahead of us how is that?
15th with the most $$ without looking what does that tell you?
health care US 53rd.
cost of living 67th
Quality of life 68
So leftist ideas of better health care
Equal wages/pay more taxation of rich
Paid time of not having multiple jobs just to meet rent.

I wonder where those ideas come from... hmm

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Jul 11 2020 09:53am
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