Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 5 2020 10:55pm)

Some certainly are, but not all.
e/ I would agree I could have omitted that word as it is distracting from the point and doesn't apply as broadly.

Yes and those circumstances are commonly misrepresented to push a racial narrative.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 6 2020 01:58am)

The reason it gets the most attention is because police have a history of brutalizing black people. When slaves escaped it was the police that returned them to their owners, and there was even a federal law passed that prohibited state actors from violating civil rights because of the southern police's involvement with the KKK. During Jim Crow era it was the police that enforced segregation, and during the civil rights peaceful protests it was the police turning dogs and fire hoses on peaceful protesters. When the drug war started it was the police that enforced that too. The reason this is such a serious issue isn't because the ratios are so bad that black people are brutalized every day. It's blown up this much because it's a continuing pattern of abuse that's been institutional in the system for literal centuries that we have failed to address. When you look at things in a vacuum it seems like it's overblown, but when you take a view that includes more of American history besides the past 5 years it is pretty obvious why the problem has achieved the status it has in the media and in our modern culture.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 6 2020 01:04am)

Yes they do have a terrible history and people are interested in stoking the flames and pretending the racist past still applies just as much today when it clearly does not.

The ratios aren't 'so bad' when you actually look at the relevant statistics instead of media anecdotes.
Whites make up the bulk of people murdered by police despite a gross disparity in violent crime rates and people want to pretend its only a race issue and white people should shut up and buy into the black-only victimhood narrative.

A toxic collectivist identity politics mindset that overshadows the real problem.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 5 2020 11:04pm)

Yes they do have a terrible history and people are interested in stoking the flames and pretending the racist past still applies just as much today when it clearly does not.

The ratios aren't 'so bad' when you actually look at the relevant statistics instead of media anecdotes.
Whites make up the bulk of people murdered by police despite a gross disparity in violent crime rates and people want to pretend its only a race issue and white people should shut up and buy into the black-only victimhood narrative.

A toxic collectivist identity politics mindset that overshadows the real problem.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 02:11am)

The number of people killed by police is only part of the equation, which is why the presentation of statistics about white people killed by police misses the mark. People are both upset about not just the number of black people killed, but the circumstances surrounding their contact with police in the first place, and the lack of consequences and accountability.

For people who utilize the number of white people killed by police, it'd be nice if you completed or added something to that equation that makes your argument as rounded as the one being made by groups like Black Lives Matter.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 5 2020 11:18pm)

I reject and condemn the assertion that people who incorporate statistics and count white people who are murdered by police have a less rounded and less accurate argument than the BLM narrative.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 6 2020 01:20am)

Leftists have a hard time breaking away from their identity politics, false claims of racism and media driven narratives.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 04:23pm)

I'm not saying that your argument is necessarily less rounded or accurate in its entirety that exists in the ether. I'm talking about what's currently being presented in this thread, which is reflective of what's presented by people more generally.

Black Lives Matter forms its argument based off of:

1. The number of black people killed by police.
2. The circumstances surrounding the initial contact and conduct of police.
3. The lack of accountability and consequences.

When people present statistics on the number of white people killed by police, they are only starting on point 1, and then it ends. I'm asking you, and/or anyone else who feels that there's a compelling argument to be made, to present information that furthers the argument and matches the leg work done by Black Lives Matter that covers those additional areas.