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Mar 7 2019 07:26am
Quote (fender @ Mar 7 2019 05:11am)
look up which ethnicity accounts for the overwhelming percentage of vegans. then look up which party they vote for. your mind will (hopefully) be blown (away upon realising how ridiculous your assumptions and statistic fails are). it's literally the same idiotic 'logic', just the result won't fit.

and again, right wingers are right wingers no matter the skin colour, religion, or name...


Black party affiliation is 90% Democratic.

There are quite literally not enough black conservatives to represent a majority of anti semitic thought in that ethnic bloc. Nor would it make much sense when examining the roots of anti semitic behaviour among the black community.

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Mar 7 2019 07:33am
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Black party affiliation is 90% Democratic.

There are quite literally not enough black conservatives to represent a majority of anti semitic thought in that ethnic bloc. Nor would it make much sense when examining the roots of anti semitic behaviour among the black community.


I know its not possible to have a good faith discussion with fender, but I'm unsure how much is a product of his bias and how much is just being ignorant of american politics.
It would be understandable if he simply is unaware of the roots of antisemitism in the black community. How many germans are taught about the black panthers, nation of islam, southern baptists, malcolm x and louis farrakhan?
He probably thinks "Your Black Muslim Bakery" is a place next to the kebab shop across the street from him
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Mar 7 2019 07:48am
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That's why there are so many right wing conservative terrorist attacks these days. Disaffected ideologically overwhelmed conservative males.


Can you elaborate please? Nearly every terrorist attack in the US or against the US in the last 20 years has been conducted by jihadist Muslims, according to every source I can find.

Perhaps you are talking about something other than terrorist attacks?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 7 2019 09:48am)
Can you elaborate please? Nearly every terrorist attack in the US or against the US in the last 20 years has been conducted by jihadist Muslims, according to every source I can find.

Perhaps you are talking about something other than terrorist attacks?


Would you consider Dylan Roof a terrorist?
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Mar 7 2019 08:05am
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Would you consider Dylan Roof a terrorist?


He does not fit the definition, no. He would be a white supremacist mass murderer, certainly. But he had no political intent. His reason for killing 9 people was simply that they were black. He was an asshole and a racist, but no terrorist.

This is why I'm asking for clarification on this point. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Antifa are terrorists. Jihadists are terrorists. Hell, even the "Punch a Nazi" movement that arose after Richard Spencer was suckerpunched could be defined as terrorism. What I don't see is much right wing violence towards the left over political goals.

I suppose the closest I've seen lately would be the Proudboys, but even in that case, they were merely a small fraction of the pissed off right that would show up to conservative events to provide security against Antifa. When antifa inevitably showed up and started attacking conservatives, the proudboys would attack antifa right back. That doesn't strike me as terrorism. That strikes me as a counter to terrorism. The proudboys never went to leftist events and started attacking people for having a different view. They merely attempted to defend conservative events from the leftist terrorist actions of antifa.

So, I'm truly curious how and where this supposed right wing conservative terrorist attack wave has come from. *shrug*
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Mar 7 2019 08:27am
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He does not fit the definition, no. He would be a white supremacist mass murderer, certainly. But he had no political intent. His reason for killing 9 people was simply that they were black. He was an asshole and a racist, but no terrorist.

This is why I'm asking for clarification on this point. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Antifa are terrorists. Jihadists are terrorists. Hell, even the "Punch a Nazi" movement that arose after Richard Spencer was suckerpunched could be defined as terrorism. What I don't see is much right wing violence towards the left over political goals.

I suppose the closest I've seen lately would be the Proudboys, but even in that case, they were merely a small fraction of the pissed off right that would show up to conservative events to provide security against Antifa. When antifa inevitably showed up and started attacking conservatives, the proudboys would attack antifa right back. That doesn't strike me as terrorism. That strikes me as a counter to terrorism. The proudboys never went to leftist events and started attacking people for having a different view. They merely attempted to defend conservative events from the leftist terrorist actions of antifa.

So, I'm truly curious how and where this supposed right wing conservative terrorist attack wave has come from. *shrug*


Roof explicitly stated that he wanted to incite a race war. How that is not a political goal you'll have to explain.
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Mar 7 2019 08:37am
Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 7 2019 07:27am)
Roof explicitly stated that he wanted to incite a race war. How that is not a political goal you'll have to explain.


What political agenda is served by a race war? There are black people on the left, in the center, and on the right. Everyone loses if a race war happens. All political agendas are harmed. None are helped.

By the definition of terrorism, Roof does not count as a terrorist. A racist, a white supremacist, and a mass murderer, absolutely. As far as I'm aware, he's still sitting in death row, awaiting execution. That's a good thing.
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Mar 7 2019 08:42am
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What political agenda is served by a race war? There are black people on the left, in the center, and on the right. Everyone loses if a race war happens. All political agendas are harmed. None are helped.

By the definition of terrorism, Roof does not count as a terrorist. A racist, a white supremacist, and a mass murderer, absolutely. As far as I'm aware, he's still sitting in death row, awaiting execution. That's a good thing.


>RaCisM iS NoT a PaRt oF PoLiTiCs

C'mon man, have some integrity.
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Mar 7 2019 08:49am
Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 7 2019 07:42am)
>RaCisM iS NoT a PaRt oF PoLiTiCs

C'mon man, have some integrity.


Where do I lack integrity here? Left right and center, everyone on the political spectrum in the US disavows any form of murder based on race. Left right and center, everyone on the political spectrum in the US actively wants to avoid a race war. Even the stated intent of what's left of the KKK (all 5000 or so of them) is not to kill anyone. They're more interested in setting up some stupid ethnostate, and can fuck off with that noise.

Dylann Roof was not a political player. He was just a filthy racist murderer. To call him a terrorist is not to understand what terrorism is.
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Mar 7 2019 08:52am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 7 2019 08:49am)
Where do I lack integrity here? Left right and center, everyone on the political spectrum in the US disavows any form of murder based on race. Left right and center, everyone on the political spectrum in the US actively wants to avoid a race war. Even the stated intent of what's left of the KKK (all 5000 or so of them) is not to kill anyone. They're more interested in setting up some stupid ethnostate, and can fuck off with that noise.

Dylann Roof was not a political player. He was just a filthy racist murderer. To call him a terrorist is not to understand what terrorism is.


A major side doesn't need to be served by a race war for a race war to be political.

War is, by its very nature, political. An Ethnostate is, by its very nature, violent.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 7 2019 08:54am
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