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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 5 2024 10:57am)
That we merely share an evolved trait doesn't mean that we are somehow connected and preserved beyond our own individual death. And yes, consciousness can be removed from existence. Should all conscious lifeforms in the universe die at once, then consciousness would no longer exist and could only come back into existence should life begin again and eventually reach consciousness via evolution.

And, our consciousnesses are not 'connected' right now. We're merely having a conversation facilitated by the Internet.


you believe life is the product of some kind of accidental naturalistic random process?

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Apr 5 2024 04:17pm
Quote (TiStuff @ 5 Apr 2024 16:57)
thats not based in scripture

Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9




ok why?



Genesis 3:5
“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
King James Version (KJV)


I was making more of a generalization my bad! I don't know scripture as well as you by a long shot :wallbash:

And you are right about the boasting! In my youth I carried an arrogance or disdain for my own religion and was "not punished necessarily" but God made me aware of those errors which allowed me to correct myself.

Even though in my heart I knew that I had "wronged" God and basically called him a "big fat phonie" when I needed him most he was there. Total forgiveness all I had to do was admit my sins which was something I didn't take seriously.

I'll be the first to tell you all "sins" carry the same "weight" in the eyes of the Lord. I was a good kid and yet God showed me all the things that were "bad". I sort of believed "out of ignorance" of course that there were "lesser sins" and "greater sins". I made excuses and God showed me the error in my way.

I am thankful everyday for that experience.

That's why I like to hear what atheist think because I was an atheist myself(by action not creed as I was young in my teenage years where we are all fallible to making bad decisions).

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Apr 5 2024 04:21pm
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So does this sort of imply that Muslims and Jews still worship the ancient deities of the past?

What's the correlation this flew over my head sorry!
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Apr 5 2024 04:25pm
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you believe life is the product of some kind of accidental naturalistic random process?


It is informed by the results of the Miller-Urey Experiments that showed that organic molecules needed for the formation of complex life could originate from inorganic materials. We've also found components of RNA on asteroids (Ryugu).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

https://www.astronomy.com/science/asteroid-ryugu-samples-found-to-contain-uracil-a-key-component-of-rna/
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It is informed by the results of the Miller-Urey Experiments that showed that organic molecules needed for the formation of complex life could originate from inorganic materials. We've also found components of RNA on asteroids (Ryugu).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

https://www.astronomy.com/science/asteroid-ryugu-samples-found-to-contain-uracil-a-key-component-of-rna/


Double-Slit experiment?

Panspermia?

So much for if all living things died "consciousness would cease to exist".

According to what you just said nothing is actually dead and inanimate objects could be the origin of all life?

https://www.sidis.net/animate.pdf
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Apr 5 2024 04:39pm
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Double-Slit experiment?

Panspermia?

So much for if all living things died "consciousness would cease to exist".

According to what you just said nothing is actually dead and inanimate objects could be the origin of all life?

https://www.sidis.net/animate.pdf


If all living things died, consciousness would cease to exist. That doesn't mean that consciousness can't reemerge in the universe.
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If all living things died, consciousness would cease to exist. That doesn't mean that consciousness can't reemerge in the universe.


Thanks for admitting what you couldn't for the last few hours we were conversating? :bouncy:

"Something out of nothing".

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Thanks for admitting what you couldn't for the last few hours we were conversating? :bouncy:

"Something out of nothing".


What is it that you feel I'm admitting?
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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Apr 5 2024 05:21pm)
So does this sort of imply that Muslims and Jews still worship the ancient deities of the past?

What's the correlation this flew over my head sorry!


You see a Hexagram can also be represented as a star or cube correct?
Let's focus on the cube first.
The Kaaba in Mecca is a black cube.
Are you aware of the Black Stone meteorite set into the eastern corner of the Kaaba?
The Black Stone has never been analyzed with modern scientific techniques and its origins remain the subject of speculation, however signs point to Saturn yet again.
See how even the people swirl around, just like the storm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcmNMWG9vqA
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