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just randomly comparing case numbers of two different countries, with deceptively chosen benchmarks thrown in, is the typical pseudo-"scientific" approach i'd expect from an anti-vaxxer - as if that graph told you anything about the effectiveness of vaccines or masks, lol. guess what, case numbers are highly dependent on testing (israel tests about twice as much per capita as sweden) for example. also, when a new wave is about to hit (due to a contagious mutation or simply the season), measures will generally be more strict, while the numbers still predictably go up - trying to spin such a common sense conclusion into the opposite is absurd.

if you wanted a more meaningful comparison you'd look at the deaths per capita - and in that regard, sweden has about twice as many as israel.

"b-b-but black graph so high!!1!"

An interesting chart. But why are Florida and Texas missing?



Sweden failed to protect its nursing homes during the first wave back in the spring of 2020. Since that time, their deaths per capita have been perfectly in line with other European countries in spite of significantly more relaxed covid rules.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 25 2021 03:15pm

This is an area where culture plays an important role. Sweden has had a significantly more compliant population compared to other European countries. They voluntarily masked, cancelled events, and socially distanced during surges without the need for government intervention. When you compare to their surrounding countries with more restrictions that have similar cultures of compliance and public responsibility, Sweden has done worse.

only read as far as antivaxxer

i am not and i am actually pretty sure that my yellow book is more complete and up to date than 95% of people

so shut the fuck up with this crap, if you want a serious conversation

the point remains, the graphs do not follow the conclusions that are being made by the mask and lockdown fanatics

covid makes its run in cycles no matter what stupid mask whatever rules you have in place

and thats all ignoring the fact that we have mostly a pcr test epidemic



i have been there twice since the pandemic started and if you think that there is a majority wearing masks or something like that, you are completely mistaken

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Aug 25 2021 03:47pm

thanks to the fact that the population listened to "recommendations", is largely vaccinated, and also measures and mandates that were introduced after their abysmal early death toll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

my point about the misleading nature of ampoo's graphic stands: it's a transparent attempt to undermine widely accepted FACTS about the efficiency of masks and vaccines. randomly comparing case numbers between two countries does NOT lead to any reasonable or even scientifically relevant conclusions - and the benchmarks chosen further prove what that graphic is supposed to suggest. pretty sure you're smart enough to realise that...

ya thats the claim on masks but no one ever actually comes forward and shows.
ya mRNA experiment "vaccines" working so well they talking bout 4 jabs now

Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

MISCARRIAGE RATE IN VACCINATED WOMEN HAS SHOT UP TO 80% !! THAT MEANS IT WORKING CORRECTLY RIGHT ?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XWxsobiH5cJw/

This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 25 2021 04:02pm

The Swedes are not as compliant as you make them out to be. And I'm not sure I agree that only other Scandinavic countries should be a valid comparison/measuring stick for Sweden.


Do you have a source on the efficiency of masks against Alpha or, if already available, Delta? Perhaps even one that quantifies their effect?

I mean, they're not robots, but they're more compliant than the UK.

he uses the assertion fallacy effect

meanwhile I use the arguments for days effect
no masks
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84140232&f=27

This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 25 2021 04:15pm

read the link i posted. also, you CAN compare them to any other country you like of course, but which countries do you consider closer in terms of culture, attitude, and other factors relevant to covid (like population density, geography, phases of the pandemic...)?
that's such a camboy non-argument to make. someone makes a common sense point or observation, in order to put something into context and perspective - and you simply reply with a vague "i'm not sure if i agree with your reasonable assumption - but i also won't tell you why, or how i would go about it, because that would allow you to criticise it and hold me to a specific position, which i want to avoid at all cost."...




first let me try to understand where you're coming from: do you genuinely not know IF masks and vaccines are effective means to slow the spread and lower the chances of catching covid? are you just looking for specific numbers and don't want to google it yourself (no clue if there's any study arriving at a concrete percentage, considering what arriving there would entail - but that was never the point anyway)? or do you simply not want to outright admit that ampoo's graphic is utter bullshit? because i distinctly remember you clutching your pearls and defending corrupt florida governor desantis because you felt that a picture i posted exaggerated his months of pandering to anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. in this case, all of a sudden you seem to be desperate to make excuses for something that is blatantly misleading... funny how that works...