imagine calling "losing usa's (a country that transgenders underage kids & worships black criminals) respect" a loss lmfa0

This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Apr 21 2022 06:22am

Aside from Ukraine and Russia, Europe is the real loser here.

“We’re now going to pay way more for natural resources we absolutely need because fuck Russia”

I think Putin could have got his regime change via military means but that he would lose the hearts and minds if he went total gloves off. This eventuality to my mind would have been the only thing which stopped a plan for regime change. I stated previously that regime change was probably the best outcome for Putin but I also stated that I would hesitate to say that he obviously wanted to regime change. it makes no sense to stop when he did unless the plan was never to regime change. I think i said about 150 pages ago that it look more like he wanted to flex, scare, and then achieve his goal. anyway, regardless of whether he wanted to regime change or not (accepting regime change is the better course) ultimately it looks like the situation has in the round drastically spiraled out of control (of the russians) since the day of the invasion.

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in terms of hypocrites, I would counter that several users have repeatedly voiced their concerns, misgivings and condemnation of other conflicts wherein western powers (read: america) has taken part. Yes this is a western forum and yes several users are very vocal in here. I would be more of the view that this forum is a far better forum then listening to mainstream western media which is providing little or no context or balanced view.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 21 2022 06:22am

You don't get it do you. You're not defending but pushing democracy and Ukraine isn't the heart of Europe like they want you to believe, it's in fact former USSR territory and during the cold war their nuclear subs could wipe out Western cities if the order came.

Bunch of brainwashed sheep you believe everything woke MSM are spoon feeding you.

Let me tell you the Russians didn't lose yet, giving up luxury goods cuz companies left Russia doesn't mean anything and if they want they completely flatten the whole of Ukraine now you explain to me how that's a victory for the free world.

male nurse Skinned "respected Russia" before this, now that bridge is burned !!


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Nope, the US, too. By weakening Europe, one of its strongest partners, USA is going to become a regional superpower. The US has got a main advantage and disadvantage at the same time. It is like a huge island. They're shielded from the happenings in mainland Euroasia but, and that's a big but, they need all of their military bases spread out over many countries to maintain their influence over the world. What's going to happen is the cost of keeping those bases will be so high at some point due to inflation and rejection of dollar that the US will be forced to close them down or weaken them in a significant way. If partners can't pay you have to pay. In other words, the US will slowly retreat into its mainland then the US will become what Obama once said "a regional" superpower.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 21 2022 06:35am

Honestly this does not make sense to me. any weakening of america is a by product of their strategic objectives and i expect america to continue long term in its quest for strategic objectives. i.e. the weakening of russia, china, and america's enemies, as well as military interventions around the world (as opposed to properly building up their infrastructure to a level comparable to what china is doing).

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 21 2022 06:55am

You don't get stronger by weakening your partners, you carry even more of the burden until you can't.

A self-defeating empire. How poetic. It will be even more poetic when it falls completely.

I would argue that the Nato alliance is stronger now then ever as a result of this conflict. pretty sure Nato would have that view as well.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 21 2022 07:01am