To my mind "victory" for Putin is Ukraine not in Nato. I accept that this is a hollow victory, but that to my mind is his view of victory (amongst other things).

You're such a bunch of hypocrites lol, prolly PARD's worst at this point.

During Iraq 2.0 (operation Iraqi freedom, the irony) we were doing the exact same thing, fighting an illegal war and killing thousands upon thousands innocent civilians.



The rest of the world looked on in disbelief and authoritarian leaders of certain nations (IK, Iran) said to themselves right lets develop nukes against those bastards before we're next on the list. What a shit show.

I'm a hypocrite because I support defending democracy in Europe against a mini-Stalin in Russia?

Nope.

Now tell me about how this Jew led democracy is a nazi regime.

For the record I think you're a coward for wanting to give in to tyrants so easily.

I was against Iraq War but that was a little different. I didn't vote for Bush Cheney though. Not sure why you pegged me to have had.

Talk about a red herring.

Nothing i said was wrong. Notice how you didn't even disagree?

Oh yeah, Iran seen this and said NOW let's start developing nukes. Pretty sure Trump is the one who blew our relationship with them when he assassinated a general in a terror attack lol. Why weren't you such a pussycat then but are now? You have no consitency.

You guys are such fanboys to Putin, who is the most successful thief in history.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 21 2022 06:10am

In fairness Djunior I dont see anything inherently wrong with what Skinned said.

While Putins "Vision of Victory" is Ukraine not in Nato and a "resolution" in the East of Ukraine, I would see both of these as phyrric victories. i.e. won the fight, lost the war. Therefore from a western perspective, and certainly from a US perspective, Russia has clearly Lost.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 21 2022 06:10am

His goal was obviously regime change in Kiev, his forces are leaving central Ukraine, and even intended puppet collaborating politician is I custody.

The coup failed.

Putin will just have to keep robbing Russians and brown people in Syria and other client states.

Mariupol might even hold out against the blitz.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 21 2022 06:13am

Nope, both lost. Not in our interest to bind Russia to China even more. That's what is going to happen. We lack resources on mainland Europe. Sanctioning Russia for a long time is like shooting ourself into the foot. China already sized large amounts of rare earths in Africa and South America. Higher material cost in production-> higher consumer prices -> uncompetitive. Russia was giving us everything directly, without the involvement of 3rd party fees. The real idiots are people in the US administration who let the war break out. None of us profits from this war, really none.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 21 2022 06:16am

Haha and you call me a liar

...KEK

The only point that is true is the first one, but who cares about the spineless puppets running Europe? They are all NWO puppets anyway

All true. U mad baby stalin

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 21 2022 06:17am

LOL... yes the city that is 95% taken except for an industrial factory is going to "hold out"...

It gets better and better with you mate