Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 20 2022 09:43pm)

And so it's justified if I call the Ukraine Nazi's animals for executing dozens of random people in Bucha accoused of "collaborating with the enemy"?

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2022 10:14am)

Statement from Putin at a Kremlin meeting in the past few hours, saying they have decided not to storm the Azovstal steelworks at Mariupol and are telling their forces to stand down and blockade the steelworks instead
This is a reversal from Shoigu and Kadyrov's plan to take full control of Mariupol and eliminate all resistance.

They could have stormed the area and engaged in brutal fighting with high casualties, or they could have bombarded it and expended inordinate ordnance and probably not killed all the azov holdouts underground. Putin isn't pretending to cite humanitarian justification, he said that the plan was "impractical", so we can assume the casualty projections were too high. Since Azov probably doesn't have much if any food reserves, being blockaded and under siege with no escape means they can't last more than a few weeks. Maybe we'll see nazi cannibals

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2022 11:14am)

Statement from Putin at a Kremlin meeting in the past few hours, saying they have decided not to storm the Azovstal steelworks at Mariupol and are telling their forces to stand down and blockade the steelworks instead
This is a reversal from Shoigu and Kadyrov's plan to take full control of Mariupol and eliminate all resistance.

They could have stormed the area and engaged in brutal fighting with high casualties, or they could have bombarded it and expended inordinate ordnance and probably not killed all the azov holdouts underground. Putin isn't pretending to cite humanitarian justification, he said that the plan was "impractical", so we can assume the casualty projections were too high. Since Azov probably doesn't have much if any food reserves, being blockaded and under siege with no escape means they can't last more than a few weeks. Maybe we'll see nazi cannibals

Quote (killerrs2 @ Apr 21 2022 04:19am)

The world's pretty facked up lads

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 21 2022 01:23am)

Santara, a coward who thinks we were the "good guys" in Serbia (despite the combined US/NATO bombing killing many thousands of civilians), hates my guts so much he wants to try to get me banned again. Even though he also engages in the same insults, only I don't report his posts because I'm not a huge loser.

Quote (Goomshill @ 21 Apr 2022 12:23)

I'm already writing the opening scenes to my script for the hollywood take on russians fighting nazi cannibals that we can produce 15+ years from now when the jingoism wears off. The spetsnaz special forces are walking in the dark under a bloodsoaked, torn and shredded azov wolfsangel flag on the outskirts, hearing the echoing screams and clattering far in the distance, deep in the hearts of the steelworks. They pass a body of a russian with a swastika carved into his chest, his legs and arms missing and a cold campfire nearby. "We tried to starve them out, but they had plenty of corpses"

Quote (thundercock @ Apr 20 2022 11:28pm)

I disagree. People who are descendants of Nazis should be ashamed for what their grandparents did. Americans should be ashamed for the awful stuff that we do currently. If you AREN'T ashamed then your country is likely to repeat the same thing.

I see what your problem is regarding Russia. You haven't recalibrated your understanding of the Russian military based on the current evidence. I too believed that Kiev would fall within days if Russia attacked, much like everyone else. I too believed that Chechen fighters were something to be feared. I too believed that Russia would have plans on how to properly occupy captured cities. Alas, I was wrong. Most of us were. That doesn't make Russia weak (far from it). But it does make Russia significantly weaker than we originally thought. Simply put, their ability to wage an offensive war is quite limited without seriously risking their national security. Can they go all in on Ukraine without Japan eyeing the Kuril Islands? What about South Ossetia? At some point, difficult decisions need to be made.

The biggest blow to Russian national security is that we KNOW their capabilities now. We've SEEN how they fight which is why the other countries keep sending heavier equipment. What could Russia possibly do to stop them? I suppose it should have been obvious from the beginning (the US defense budget is comparable to Russia's entire GDP) but Russia's strength from the Cold War simply blinded us.

As for Ukraine beating Russia militarily, I think you're probably right about that. Afghanistan couldn't beat us militarily either. Neither could the Vietnamese. We fucking kicked their asses. But at the end of the day, the Taliban is in charge of Afghanistan and the Communists are in charge of Vietnam. Russia doesn't have the resources to occupy East Ukraine indefinitely.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2022 06:07am)

They're not going for the full Ukraine, that's pretty clear now. I disagree with them not being able to hold the east. There's a reason why I highlighted the voting patterns from 2010. Most people there will just accept Russia and in 10-15 years it'll be no different than Dagestan and Chechnya in opposition to Russia.