Who the fuck took them seriously?

See, and thats the point: during the 2016 campaign, it was obvious that even in case of a victory, Trump would never ever have the political support to enact the more radical proposals from his agenda. And it was also fairly obvious that he probably wont have the political will to begin with.

By contrast, the current crop of Democrats quite obviously does have the political will to push through their agenda if there's any possiblity; and this agenda is becoming more and more radical by the day.

Particularly when it comes to environmental regulation and immigration, they could cause disastrous damage to the country on EOs alone, without relying on getting 60 votes in the Senate. And let's not forget how hard the Trump presidency was stopped dead in its tracks time and time again by the courts - if these "woke warriors of socialist utopia" get to nominate equally far-left judges all across the place, the same will happen to the majority of future conservative legislation, for decades to come.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 4 2019 02:34pm

What you laughing about kid

Clinton was big on the drug war 3 strikes welfare reform filling prisons.

That "far left media" was complicit in war

Obama barely did shit other than drone people tinker with health care and stick with the status quo

The far left is a small minority they arent running the show and they arent going to it's a political play by meme conservatives and boomers. It always has been and people like you that don't think for themselves eat it up

You, per usual.

Trump said he'd make NATO pay their fair share, defense expenditures have increased. His Muslim ban passed constitutional muster. He promised a trade war with China, we got one.

We like to focus on the fact that Trump lies incessantly, and he does. But to say that Trump was blowing hot air on his policy goals is to ignore what he has actually done in office, which is try to achieve what he said he would on the campaign trail.

Should I expect less of the Democrats running for office?

Trump is a boor, fine. For all his failings, his focus is on things that matter (drug prices, state insurance monopolies, trade imbalances, freeloading international "partners", a foreign policy that emphasizes realpolitik), as well as a myriad of things that don't (twitter wars, John McCain, narcissism).

Those aren't traditional Republican priorities. We've been bogged down by politicians that prioritize moralism over political realism, that drag us repeatedly into conflicts they can't win, and that overwhelmingly serve corporate interests on China and trade.

I have no interest in going back to the way things were.

If you're comfortable being the loyal opposition, never winning another election, and watching on as your policy proposals die and your political opponents transform your way of life, be my guest. I'm out.

AOC versus Nancy Pelosi

...fight!

This post was edited by IgoSoHard on Jul 8 2019 05:48pm

Democrats spent most of 2015-16 laughing at the Republicans being bullied by future President Trump

how the shoe ends up fitting on the other foot will be entertaining

The craziest proposals from Trump during the campaign haven't been enacted. The Muslim ban isn't a Muslim ban, it's a travel restriction from certain dangerous countries.

We should be realistic and expect that a President Harris or Warren won't waste political capital trying to tear down the border wall, or change crossing the border illegally from a criminal penalty to a civil penalty. This is just basic, common sense stuff.

Trump's success as president has been traditional Republican wins. Tax cuts, regulation cuts, conservative judges. That's the happy story of the Trump presidency. All the other populist stuff makes for interesting reality show television, but it hasn't moved the needle in a significant way yet.

I don't know what the last bit means. There's really no IceMage type moderates who get elected, so I just vote for the lesser of two evils, which for now is the Democrats. Trump could agree with me 100% on the issues and I'd still vote for his opponent, because I believe character matters, and he's objectively a man of horrible character. I don't think Democrats are transforming my way of life... they don't have the votes for that, lol.

^ icepeon voted for the candidate who wielded political influence and power to permanently separate families on the basis of minority men being 'black superpredators', and treated all her husband's girlfriends like something she would scrape off her shoe. ironically criticizes anyone elses character