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Apr 20 2022 02:46pm

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ofthevoid

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#5862

Apr 20 2022 02:58pm

Quote (babun1024 @ Apr 20 2022 04:24pm)

I met some Ukrainian women who fled Ukraine and were residing at the place of my ex female work colleague. One of them was from Bucha but she fled before the tragedy happened. The most shocking story she told me was shelling happened close to her window while she was making a soup. She was in shock for a while then decided to finally leave the area and flee to west. The other shocking revelation I heard from them, around half of the Azov members are ethnic Russians (!!). Are there any real Ukrainians here to clarify or did she just made it up?

Their ethnic background is largely irrelevant tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if many were at least part Russian blood as many are just young recruits that were radicalized in the last 10 years or so. Ukraine has (had? idk at this point) a significant Russian ethnic population in the south and east so to assume some of them were ethnic Russians isn't a stretch. Fact is the Bandera far right movements that gained a lot of steam post Maidan radicalized them and those were not just a few people here and there, but a significant portion of the population.

I have a few family members, by marriage, who are Ukrainian. From my experience, there's really a spectrum of thought on this war. I spoke to my Ukrainian uncle who has lived here in the US for a long time and he blames the Benderovtsy who gained substantial power and influence in Ukraine in the last decade for what's happening. People like him are in the minority though, most others just hate the Russians and want this war to stop. They view Russia as the aggressor and whatever events that led to this war are irrelevant because what's happening now is infinitely more scary and gripping.

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#5863

Apr 20 2022 03:01pm

Scott Ritter:

When Belorussian authorities pulled Roman Protasevich, a blogger who had served a combat tour in the neo-Nazi Azov battalion before working for Radio Free Europe’s Belarus channel out of Prague, off an airplane in May, 2021, on charges of inciting a political opposition (roughly the equivalent of sedition), the world went crazy, accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of trampling on free speech. Protasevich is alive and well, living under house arrest while awaiting trial.

When reports emerged that Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social media “influencer” who resided in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who published online content critical of the Ukrainian government, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by the Kraken Unit, part of the Azov battalion affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), the West is silent.

Free speech isn’t a one way street. To remain silent in the murder of Gonzo Lira is to be complicit in his death, and the deaths of all journalists who pursue the truth, even if it runs counter to the mainstream narrative. Critical thinking should not be a death sentence. Unfortunately for Gonzo Lira, it seems it was.

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#5864

Apr 20 2022 03:13pm

At the end of the day. The ones whom suffer from this needless conflict will be Ukrainians and sad to say Europe.

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Apr 20 2022 03:14pm

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#5866

Apr 20 2022 03:17pm

Quote (Norlander @ Apr 20 2022 04:14pm)

Any evidence it was Ukraine?

Or that it's even the person in question, and not a mannequin with a puffy jacket on?

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Apr 20 2022 03:17pm

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 20 2022 03:10pm)

Yes, you are quite right in this issue, but let me give you my point of view from my knowledge as superficial as it is.
Taiwan was a vassal of Qing Dynasty and we all know what happens after when Japan colonized Taiwan.

Right after WW2 the " Official" Government of China was the KMT, and China proper which included Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang were so called "Return" to China ( I might be wrong with Tibet though, but this is something I kinda vaguely remembered). If the KMT is still in power Taiwan would have not pose any significant issues with the West or mainly USA. Because they share similar values. As a matter of fact China would have been the West strongest "ally" to contain the Soviet Bloc if the KMT govt won the civil war.

The case is when civil war broke out the CCP won. The United Nations at that point of time recognized Taiwan as the official China due to the KMT government . Technically China and Taiwan is still in a " Civil War " but due to their friendly ceasefire, their relationship is not as tumultuous as North and South Korea.
It didn't really help when Nixon and Kissinger made their inaugural visit to CCP China during the 60s. As we all know the KMT Taiwan (China) governed seat in the United Nations was eventually given to CCP China with some help from the United States of course.

So the difference between Taiwan and Ukraine is , one is a sovereign nation and the other one is unresolved.

Then again I heard that TSMC has been moving her operations to the USA, Singapore and possibly India. So if Taiwan do not possess any significant interest to the USA. Perhaps they might not be willing to lift a finger if things escalate.
Ukraine however is a completely different scenario.

Sorry mate I know TLDR... :cry: but thank you for reading if you manage. :lol:

I don't know if I would say moving, but rather expanding production capabilities, which are sorely needed.

The US only has themselves to blame for the fall of the KMT government.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 20 2022 03:13pm)

There is no "defensive" war once US aircraft carriers start flying sorties and bombing Chinese forces trying to move into Taiwan.

No, it's a full-scale war at that point because it can rapidly escalate into other theatres, or to ballistic missile strikes being exchanged between the two forces.

And what happens if China sinks an aircraft carrier launching these theoretical sorties?

Is it not at that point a full-scale war between the United States and China?

Yeah, there is. A limited war, as in within the confines of defending Taiwan.