Both you and Ukrainians are tough, certainly a lot tougher than in most Western countries like the US

Still, the supposedly tough Chechens that some silly people in here were frothing at the mouth over got stomped at Hostomel

I'm suspecting Chechens are treating ukrainians (civilians and soldiers) much better than Russians, but this is only a supposition.

Too old

Ah ok ! i understand now.

We didn't go to war over Ukraine, Ivan.

Attack in this sense is going on the offensive, which no one is talking about. Keeping China from enslaving Taiwan defensively is what we're talking about. Words in English carry certain connotations, and you would do well to study them better.

Yes, you are quite right in this issue, but let me give you my point of view from my knowledge as superficial as it is.
Taiwan was a vassal of Qing Dynasty and we all know what happens after when Japan colonized Taiwan.

Right after WW2 the " Official" Government of China was the KMT, and China proper which included Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang were so called "Return" to China ( I might be wrong with Tibet though, but this is something I kinda vaguely remembered). If the KMT is still in power Taiwan would have not pose any significant issues with the West or mainly USA. Because they share similar values. As a matter of fact China would have been the West strongest "ally" to contain the Soviet Bloc if the KMT govt won the civil war.

The case is when civil war broke out the CCP won. The United Nations at that point of time recognized Taiwan as the official China due to the KMT government . Technically China and Taiwan is still in a " Civil War " but due to their friendly ceasefire, their relationship is not as tumultuous as North and South Korea.
It didn't really help when Nixon and Kissinger made their inaugural visit to CCP China during the 60s. As we all know the KMT Taiwan (China) governed seat in the United Nations was eventually given to CCP China with some help from the United States of course.

So the difference between Taiwan and Ukraine is , one is a sovereign nation and the other one is unresolved.

Then again I heard that TSMC has been moving her operations to the USA, Singapore and possibly India. So if Taiwan do not possess any significant interest to the USA. Perhaps they might not be willing to lift a finger if things escalate.
Ukraine however is a completely different scenario.

Sorry mate I know TLDR... but thank you for reading if you manage.

There is no "defensive" war once US aircraft carriers start flying sorties and bombing Chinese forces trying to move into Taiwan.

No, it's a full-scale war at that point because it can rapidly escalate into other theatres, or to ballistic missile strikes being exchanged between the two forces.

And what happens if China sinks an aircraft carrier launching these theoretical sorties?

Is it not at that point a full-scale war between the United States and China?

Fix'd

I met some Ukrainian women who fled Ukraine and were residing at the place of my ex female work colleague. One of them was from Bucha but she fled before the tragedy happened. The most shocking story she told me was shelling happened close to her window while she was making a soup. She was in shock for a while then decided to finally leave the area and flee to west. The other shocking revelation I heard from them, around half of the Azov members are ethnic Russians (!!). Are there any real Ukrainians here to clarify or did she just made it up?

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 20 2022 02:25pm

I am a real Ukrainian and can confirm she made it up