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Apr 20 2022 01:36pm
Quote (Norlander @ 20 Apr 2022 19:24)
T-72 and above.


How many, not much, seems It is not effective against top-attack munitions and anti-tank weapons fired from buildings and rooftops.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure)
Arena increases a tank's probability of surviving a rocket-propelled grenade by between 1.5–2 times.

Oh, it's okay

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How many, not much, seems It is not effective against top-attack munitions and anti-tank weapons fired from buildings and rooftops.


RPG-7 is not NLAW or Javelin, divide by two or so. 5-6 Javelins what chopdix said is the amount of anti-tank weaponry being promised by US per tank, yet provided. TL;DR they are fucked.

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I saw pictures of a Russian tank that had been claimed hit with a javelin 5 or 6 times. There were several blown out holes on the outside, but they didn't penetrate and the tank was still operational.

Scott Ritter also talks about why the system is seemingly ineffective in battle:

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Quote (Norlander @ 20 Apr 2022 19:39)
RPG-7 is not NLAW or Javelin, divide by two or so


It must be crazy to be a member of tank crew, at any you can die without any warning or so. Insanely stressful.
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Apr 20 2022 01:47pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 20 2022 01:57pm)
Oh yah that is a valid point, TSMC, it is something that I missed on top of my head but thank you for reminding me on that issue.
But I have another thought perhaps you can give me some inputs.

The reason why I don't see Americans intervening in Taiwan is this, to China Taiwan is a core issue, to Americans Taiwan is a peripheral issue.
Ok let's take it this way that America will help Taiwan repel China.
They can win the first time, second time , third or even fourth time because the Chinese military at the moment pales in comparison to the United States but it will never end.

So the contrast between the two in regards of National interest is very different. If I were the American Government, I know that I will go in the first time round and beat them one or two or three times but they will come back, and they must come back because it is a core issue.
I think as much as the America government mouth piece or media says yes we will help Taiwan such and such , but in their minds they have already made their calculations.

Hope for some input from you .


While China views Taiwan as a core issue, the rest of the world at least tacitly views them as a separate nation. We just don't give them official recognition due to how badly China would react.

I think it's an even wager whether China succeeds on its first try. US Navy surface units will have to stay well away from China's coasts, increasing time for aerial sorties to engage, and China has a massive ship building advantage. American supremacy in submarine warfare would determine if enough ships could be destroyed transiting the straight, but even then, Chinese airborne troops could be inserted with much greater ease (relatively speaking).
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 20 Apr 2022 22:44)
It must be crazy to be a member of tank crew, at any you can die without any warning or so. Insanely stressful.


My grandpa and dad used to serve as tank men, so did I. They were graduated in Kyevan Tank School.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 20 2022 01:44pm)
It must be crazy to be a member of tank crew, at any you can die without any warning or so. Insanely stressful.


Russians are tough SOB's man. They aren't thinking about their own lives when they go to battle, they're thinking about how they can effectively help their guys and destroy the enemy.

That Russian soldier mentioned earlier took a bullet to the heart and kept fighting for 5 minutes. Five minutes! And thanks to his sacrifice his mates were able to escape from the killzone they walked into.
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Quote (Santara @ Apr 20 2022 01:47pm)
While China views Taiwan as a core issue, the rest of the world at least tacitly views them as a separate nation. We just don't give them official recognition due to how badly China would react.

I think it's an even wager whether China succeeds on its first try. US Navy surface units will have to stay well away from China's coasts, increasing time for aerial sorties to engage, and China has a massive ship building advantage. American supremacy in submarine warfare would determine if enough ships could be destroyed transiting the straight, but even then, Chinese airborne troops could be inserted with much greater ease (relatively speaking).


Going to war over Taiwan is just as stupid and reckless as going to war over Ukraine.

How long before China starts using nuclear weapons if the US attacks them over Taiwan?
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Apr 20 2022 01:54pm
Quote (Norlander @ 20 Apr 2022 19:48)
My grandpa and dad used to serve as tank men, so did I. They were graduated in Kyevan Tank School.


Nice, why aren't you on the frontline ?
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ 20 Apr 2022 19:50)
Going to war over Taiwan is just as stupid and reckless as going to war over Ukraine.

How long before China starts using nuclear weapons if the US attacks them over Taiwan?


- Show me the treaty where Ukraine goes back to Russia as a province
- Taiwan will move factories and qualified people out in time to JP, SK, US, even EU
- Who want to live under a dictatorship where you go to prison for saying "no war" ?

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