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Apr 20 2022 12:46pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 20 Apr 2022 18:34)
All western-supplied systems usually end up blown up within a few days of making it into Ukraine. In other words, all the billions being spent on "aid" for Ukraine is a gigantic waste.

I was reading a report yesterday that Russian tanks are able to withstand easily 5-6 hits from the javelin system without being destroyed.

So not only are 80% of the weapons being destroyed before they can be used, but the other 20% are generally ineffective, with the sole exception of some anti-air stuff like the UK-supplied Starstreak.


Good to know, you have some source ?
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Apr 20 2022 12:51pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 20 2022 12:46pm)
Good to know, you have some source ?


Source: constant airstrikes on western supplied material. The most recent one was like 2 days ago and involved several Kalibre cruise missiles.

It's even worse for Ukraine too because they can't easily send weapons to the Donbass anyway because the whole area is under Russian fire control. Supply convoys just get bombed on the way in. Which means no amount of external supplies will make a difference for where the main fighting is taking place anyway.

The Russians have excellent intelligence on where this stuff is being stored.

Don't worry, the MIC doesn't mind - just means more money for them, doesn't matter if all their stuff gets blown up or not.
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Apr 20 2022 12:52pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 20 2022 01:34pm)
All western-supplied systems usually end up blown up within a few days of making it into Ukraine. In other words, all the billions being spent on "aid" for Ukraine is a gigantic waste.

I was reading a report yesterday that Russian tanks are able to withstand easily 5-6 hits from the javelin system without being destroyed.

So not only are 80% of the weapons being destroyed before they can be used, but the other 20% are generally ineffective, with the sole exception of some anti-air stuff like the UK-supplied Starstreak.


Another lie, unsourced, of course.
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Apr 20 2022 12:54pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 20 Apr 2022 21:46)
Good to know, you have some source ?




It's chopdix, divide by 10. 3 hits (if you find a full video, I'm lazy) instead of 6, RPG-7 instead of Javelin :)

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Apr 20 2022 12:55pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 20 Apr 2022 18:42)
I know this might be hard for you to understand, but Russia won't have to nuke France if France remains reasonable and stops poking the bear with unchecked NATO expansion.


The "bear" is dying in every possible way, culturally (100+ years of pseudo corrupted communism, then authoritarian oligarchism) , economically (since NOW) , demographically (Since decades).
France still has 10.000 hiroshima equivalent nuclear power which could makes alot of craters in the bear's ass.

This is like being locked in an elevator cabine and being smart enough to threat someone else with a hand grenade.
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Apr 20 2022 12:57pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Apr 20 2022 12:43pm)
Simple like what? Not remembering how MAD works? Not remembering why the cold war went the way it did? Not remembering looking like North Korea is a bad thing? Not remembering you have citizens that can revolt when faced with nuclear war?


You might not have noticed but Russia is facing numerous external aggressors whom triggered a proxy war on her doorstep, are expanding their military to her borders, and are engaging in a massive pre-war propaganda campaign aimed at Russia.

They see the signs, they see the writing on the wall. They understand that the US/NATO may escalate things against them to direct military conflict.

For this reason, they send out messages like this.

What we should be doing is demanding that our governments STOP their aggression towards Russia, for THEY are the ones dragging us into a nuclear ww3 with Russia.

Russia cannot, and should not, be blamed for defending itself against these insane psychopaths that are determined to collapse their state & subjugate them at all costs.
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Quote (Santara @ 21 Apr 2022 02:42)
Jesus fucking Christ, we fucking heard you the first dozen times. For fuck's sake. Find a new shtick.



I think the US would get involved as a matter of national security, if for no other reason than to protect TMSC, and its outsized effect on our transportation sector.


Oh yah that is a valid point, TSMC, it is something that I missed on top of my head but thank you for reminding me on that issue.
But I have another thought perhaps you can give me some inputs.

The reason why I don't see Americans intervening in Taiwan is this, to China Taiwan is a core issue, to Americans Taiwan is a peripheral issue.
Ok let's take it this way that America will help Taiwan repel China.
They can win the first time, second time , third or even fourth time because the Chinese military at the moment pales in comparison to the United States but it will never end.

So the contrast between the two in regards of National interest is very different. If I were the American Government, I know that I will go in the first time round and beat them one or two or three times but they will come back, and they must come back because it is a core issue.
I think as much as the America government mouth piece or media says yes we will help Taiwan such and such , but in their minds they have already made their calculations.

Hope for some input from you .

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Apr 20 2022 01:00pm
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.
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Apr 20 2022 01:02pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 20 Apr 2022 21:55)
The "bear" is dying in every possible way, culturally (100+ years of pseudo corrupted communism, then authoritarian oligarchism) , economically (since NOW) , demographically (Since decades).
France still has 10.000 hiroshima equivalent nuclear power which could makes alot of craters in the bear's ass.

This is like being locked in an elevator cabine and being smart enough to threat someone else with a hand grenade.


More like to fart in an elevator, go outside and ask what's the smell
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Apr 20 2022 01:08pm
Quote (Norlander @ 20 Apr 2022 18:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clQ-ONWnUHQ

It's chopdix, divide by 10. 3 hits (if you find a full video, I'm lazy) instead of 6, RPG-7 instead of Javelin :)



The shot was done too close, which explains the fail.
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