Talkin' out of both sides of his mouth -- have cake eat cake.

you are really terrible at having a conversation

great posts my friends!


Trump being elected President revealed you to be just another anti-American snarky privileged lefty

the accusers always tend to cloak themselves until the truth makes their reality all-too apparent

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 3 2019 06:10pm

You're missing the mark.

Trump is opposed by a party that supports open borders. There's a strong undercurrent within the party that doesn't believe candidates have a right to lead if they're white and male. Obama could not run in this environment and win.

Trump is not so attractive that everyone wants to follow the beat of his drum; the alternative is just worse.

Agreed, with everything.

About the bolded part:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/28/democrats-debate-immigration-landmine-227247

Let's leave Goom/Cambo aside.

I don't really understand majoring in the minors. Yes, some of the party is moving left on certain issues, sometimes in comical ways(no abortion restrictions, tear down the border wall, no criminal penalty for crossing illegally, etc). But we can look to the 2016 primary and find nutty positions from the most popular candidates. Dismantle federal agencies(including IRS), intentionally target civilians in war, physically deport every illegal from the country, ban all foreign Muslims from entering, repeal Roe, leave NATO, let Japan get nukes, etc.

Why do we take one side's radicalism seriously, and hand-wave the other side's away? Can't we be nuanced with both sides and realize that even if one of the more left-wing nominees becomes president, they almost certainly won't have the political will or support to do many of these radical things?

So, if you want to make the argument that Trump will move the country forward better than the Democratic nominee, fair enough. But nutpicking from one side isn't a good argument.

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Speaking of comical positions from the left:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/betsy-ross-flag-controversy-progressivism/

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 4 2019 02:41am

And those positions (i.e. the 2016 campaign) were taken seriously, shouldn't we be taking these seriously as well?

The far left has dramatically more say than they did 10 years ago. I think you fundamentally misunderstand where that movement is headed if you think a candidate is going to suddenly become the second coming of Bill Clinton in office. Those Democrats (Manchin aside) are Republicans now.

Besides, what sort of cuckhold votes for a party that despises them, all in the hope that they really won't follow through on the threat? There's a reason Clinton lost the white male vote by 30 points.

They weren't taken that seriously by Republicans who held their nose to vote for Trump. And rightly so. The radical positions from Trump that I laid out haven't come to fruition, because he doesn't have the political will or support.

I've never argued that a third way, Bill Clinton type Democrat will get elected. But it's also laughable to think all the moderates have moved to the Republican side. You guys elected a reality show host/fake billionaire who embarrasses himself and our country practically every day. Even if I were a conservative or right-wing populist, I would oppose Trump because he's a horrible person who is insanely incompetent. Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, or practically any other Republican would be much more successful at achieving conservative objectives.

Bogie, the fact that you think I'm a cuckold because I'm a white male who will vote Democrat shows just how silly your views of the Democratic party are. You're just as disconnected from political reality as the liberals who think the Republican party are white supremacists. It's boring and lazy.

Republicans now but they were always conservative

The country is less conservative and the politicians reflect it.

Bill was a lock them up President. We still have that in Harris who near the lead

Conservatives have been calling everyone far left for 2 decades+

Fox news pushed it against Democrat establishment news networks that were pro war. Everything is far left to staunch conservatives.